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The Age Regression Speculation Thread Baby 09/22/2020 (Tue) 17:38:09 No. 1285
(This topic exists to stop the off-topic posts in the loli thread) Regarding caregivers: Part of the frustration of being a caregiver comes from the fact that the patient in most cases will never get better or can never be fixed. If the kid is actually growing up again and regaining motor skills/function, this offers something to look forward to. There was discussion of Legos earlier. Actual two-year-olds can't play with real Legos because they might swallow the small pieces. Same way with the little ball magnets. A rejuvenated adult to that age might actually be told to play with such things - by a medical professional, as physical therapy to regain fine motor control! Of course, as an adult, the rejuvenated kid would also have unlimited access to a tablet or phone. You might need someone to help change your diapers when you can't make it to the toilet and you might need to drink from a sippy cup because your hands simply can't handle a real one without spilling it, but you will always be able to shitpost on /abdl/ about it. Also, before anyone even brings it up, anyone who considers rejuvenation to be an appropriate punishment for criminals, or supports social infantilization of the rejuvenated, deserves to be executed on the street. If we had people being transformed into kids through any means, people of all political persuasions would consider that kind of shit a hate crime.
you know we have an age regression thread you could have moved this to right?
>>1287 Yeah but that's pictures and fantasy, and this is sperging over what might actually happen.
>>1289 *actually happen in a world where this shit existed for real and everything else was the same.
>>1289 Ok fine. I still think it could have gone into the AR thread. And what if there is no regaining loss adult status? And people make process all the time in cases that "never get better or get fixed" even if it is just putting their clothes in the washer by themselves or shaking another human's hand. Still...what happens when the rejuved adult doesn't want to play with the kid toys even if it is to regain fine motor control? Because they feel it is beneath them to be playing with kid toys. People don't listen to their Dr. all the time. And funny jab at the rejuve universe. I can see someone doesn't like the Penny spanking stories. And funny how you think someone should just be executed on the street for just thinking something though. So now I give the thought...What if an adult who has committed the crimes thinks about having it happen to themselves if it is offered to them instead? And you can't tell me people wouldn't try to offer it. The idea of proving upbringing through a positive environment as a real controlled thing? Some scientist would jump all over that shit.
>>1295 >And what if there is no regaining loss adult status? If the new body isn't responsive to growth hormones, "rejuvenation" isn't really the name for what happened. >And people make process all the time in cases that "never get better or get fixed" You're missing the point. Taking care of someone severely fucked up who never gets better after months and months is depressing. If the rejuvenated adult is growing up again, it's different. >Because they feel it is beneath them to be playing with kid toys. People don't listen to their Dr. all the time. Then that's their problem, but I'm fairly sure most people who catch some theoretical super-nanotech virus that turns them back into a kid will be more concerned about having their fingers fucking work than on worrying about status or the humiliation of doing something in private or with a caregiver who knows exactly what's going on. >I can see someone doesn't like the Penny spanking stories Oh fucking hell. There's one of you shitting up this board. This can definitely stay in the containment thread. >The idea of proving upbringing through a positive environment as a real controlled thing? No, fuck that. Without mental AR, it's ineffective, a vacation or a pointless torture session depending on how it's played, and with any form of it, it's utterly inhuman. The death penalty is more merciful. >Some scientist would jump all over that shit. I'm not sure what depraved third world shithole you're from, but in most Western countries, we don't randomly give "some scientist" control over people, at least not anymore. This shit is below John Money tier. Where's the guy talking about post-Singularity upload AR? Because you could SSC do a lot of things that would be impossible in our world, assuming you trusted your caregiver enough or there were serious safeguards. Ever consider giving your mommy a direct hook into your emotional state right after playing the world's most transcendently awesome game of pretend?
>>1297 >Where's the guy talking about post-Singularity upload AR? I've just been lurking. I strongly agree with you in regards to the importance of SSC in any real life situation. On the other hand I've also fapped to some pretty fucked up stories which you definitely wouldn't like. Honestly, given the chance, I'd be willing to be subjected to the full "Penny" treatment for a week or so, even without a safeword. >Ever consider giving your mommy a direct hook into your emotional state right after playing the world's most transcendently awesome game of pretend? I think there are a lot of fun possibilities related to manipulating emotional states. One extreme is the "hedonium" route, but you could also consensually induce effects like shyness, fear of the dark, or boredom. You could be made to find toddler shows like Dora the Explorer so incredibly funny and interesting that stopping for a potty break becomes unthinkable, or you could be made to find sitting on the potty 100 times more boring than even the worst corner time. Whether any of that kind of kinky play would be better than artificially induced pure bliss is debatable, but it would at least add a bit of variety to paradise.
Instead of talking about age regression in terms of some fantasy virus or magic or whatever, I think the future might hold a real possibility of physical age regression through Ghost in the Shell-style prosthetic body swapping. For those unfamiliar, this is a future in which the human brain can be "cyberized" and then moved to a prosthetic body of the users choice. The show never shows or talks about swapping to a 2-5 year old body though. If it would work fine, then users could have the motor skills of their choice through software programing. Only problem is if you want to be a diaper wearer, I think the waste products would need to be artificial, but I'm not certain. Even without actually using the diapers, it would be fun to be able to run around in cute kids outfits and pampers. Unfortunately, such future technology will be owned by Amazon or Google and your consciousness would become their property.
>>1297 >If the new body isn't responsive to growth hormones, "rejuvenation" isn't really the name for what happened. Fair enough >Then that's their problem, but I'm fairly sure most people who catch some theoretical super-nanotech virus that turns them back into a kid will be more concerned about having their fingers fucking work than on worrying about status or the humiliation of doing something in private or with a caregiver who knows exactly what's going on. Why not just play video games? Pretty sure that will have a better affect on making sure their hands work than just building with blocks even. >Oh fucking hell. There's one of you shitting up this board. This can definitely stay in the containment thread. One of them? The stories are 20+ years old. Chances are someone who knows about AR knows at least a little about them. Hell they had a huge comic appear on the ar archive at one time in the past. >No, fuck that. Without mental AR, it's ineffective, a vacation or a pointless torture session depending on how it's played, and with any form of it, it's utterly inhuman. The death penalty is more merciful. My original thought behind was that they would re-learn from classical conditioning but you bringing up growth hormones does make me think. I find it funny that you think growth hormones would be freely coming back and anything physical but nothing mental would come back. I feel if one were to regress down in age the parts of our brains that learn new language for example would get a 2nd chance to do it again and so on. For the record the Penny Universe isn't just about the spanking nonsense. They have people regressing just to cheat death and for medical reasons for example. A good chunk of this topic you have here I can tell you right now has been brought up in various areas that have some Penny rp like Second Life. >I'm not sure what depraved third world shithole you're from, but in most Western countries, we don't randomly give "some scientist" control over people, at least not anymore. This shit is below John Money tier. Maybe not to this level but this is fictional what ifs and I don't think it would take much support from the public to offer it to any pedo for example. After all everyone in society hates pedos.
>>1300 >On the other hand I've also fapped to some pretty fucked up stories which you definitely wouldn't like. Truth is, so have I. And then endured the utter disgust in the crash afterwards. And then learned about the kind of shit that people have actually tried in real life, and I refuse to go down that particular rabbit hole here. I'm just fucking done with torture-as-fetish. It doesn't even arouse me anymore; there's nothing left there but the disgust. The only things I'll whack it to are where everyone's okay with what's happening. No disgust, no crash. >Honestly, given the chance, I'd be willing to be subjected to the full "Penny" treatment for a week or so, even without a safeword. Hey, if you're walking into this with both eyes open, knowing exactly what you're getting into, you do you. >>1301 >I think the future might hold a real possibility of physical age regression through Ghost in the Shell-style prosthetic body swapping. If it all goes this way, I want a little, cute one made of lightweight composites and a burly battery pack to power my fully functional wings. >>1302 >Why not just play video games? Not enough. For motor skills you need to actually use your hands for things more than just pressing buttons. Drawing, playing catch with a lightweight ball, tinkertoys, maybe even taking a lot of yarn and knitting your very own mittened bunting bag for when your hands are tired. Knitting needles are not terribly sharp. >A good chunk of this topic you have here I can tell you right now has been brought up in various areas that have some Penny rp like Second Life. Like I told the other guy, you do you. On the other hand, I'm not going to say my SL name on 8ch, but if you showed up with Penny RP in any parcel I own, I'd ban you faster than Yanderedev bans people talking about the cum chalice. >I don't think it would take much support from the public to offer it to any pedo for example. Awesome idea! Let's make a pedo look like an actual child! What could possibly go wrong?
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention. >>1300 >Whether any of that kind of kinky play would be better than artificially induced pure bliss is debatable I prefer the kinky play. I would absolutely love to genuinely enjoy Dora and Sofia the First (and many other kids' shows) without having adult boredom ruin it for me. I would love to have childish fears, even ones I never had as a kid, given to me in an SSC way with someone (or something) I absolutely trust with my life. But if you're a person who just goes full wirehead, I'm not sure if you can be described as a person anymore. You have no more interests, no more thoughts, no more ideas. You just wirehead.
>>1306 >Not enough. For motor skills you need to actually use your hands for things more than just pressing buttons. Drawing, playing catch with a lightweight ball, maybe even taking a lot of yarn and knitting your very own mittened bunting bag for when your hands are tired. Knitting needles are not terribly sharp. Funny enough drawing, catch, and knitting are activities I don't think a regressed person would mind doing. I still think asking them to play with toys when they have their adult mind could be seen as an insult to them though. >Like I told the other guy, you do you. On the other hand, I'm not going to say my SL name on 8ch, but if you showed up with Penny RP in any parcel I own, I'd ban you faster than Yanderedev bans people talking about the cum chalice. I have no idea what the cum chalice is. Might be for the better. Funny enough how you seem to ban the Penny RP on site though even though as far as age regression rp goes there isn't much that is as developed as it. Hell there is penny rp that just have it as the background to it but don't have the spanking part of it. Offering just the regression part and re-raising under the idea that there has been abuse in the system by people who had no desire to actually be good parents. >Awesome idea! Let's make a pedo look like an actual child! What could possibly go wrong? Less chances of it going wrong than them being a full grown adult that can drive and out power a kid easily. Less of a chance at some violence being done to them as well by some vigilante as well. Plus it isn't like they wouldn't have some child tracker on them or some shit. That shit is quite advanced now. Plus also chances are a regressed adult wouldn't have a sex drive anyway. So maybe regression could be used to "cure" a fetish? A good % of people report that their fetish was something that was triggered in childhood. Maybe the trigger that made a pedo a pedo wouldn't happen this time? Hell maybe the trigger that made an abdl into an abdl wouldn't happen this time either?
>>1306 >if you showed up with Penny RP in any parcel I own, I'd ban you faster than Yanderedev bans people talking about the cum chalice. It's funny. You abhor any kind of coercion in fantasy, but would take glee in enforcing rules like that. I get off on fantasies involving unfair, impossible-to-follow rules and the punishments which naturally follow, but in reality I really dislike rules and could never bring myself to ban any human user.
>>1308 >re-raising This is one of those basic ideas that only exists in fiction and has seriously horrific consequences when people attempt to apply it to the real world. You cannot "re-raise" someone without absolutely destroying that person's mind. You might as well just kill him.
>>1309 >You abhor any kind of coercion in fantasy, but would take glee in enforcing rules like that. "Hippity hoppity get the fuck off my property" is not remotely coercive in any meaningful sense. Maybe if I owned some substantial chunk of the grid. >but in reality I really dislike rules and could never bring myself to ban any human user. Someone's never been seriously trolled.
>>1311 What was described wasn't "serious trolling", or any kind of trolling for that matter. Anyway, I know myself well enough to know that there is definitely a personality difference at play there. It was more intended as an amusing observation than a serious criticism.
>>1310 Yeah well it was brought up. If growth hormones and so on are in affect still than chances are other things have changed with someone being age regressed. What triggers someone to be pedo? Or to have some fetish?
>>1312 You missed my point. You said you couldn't bring yourself to ban anyone, and there are trolling situations in which most anyone sane would definitely want to ban someone. >>1313 >What triggers someone to be pedo? Or to have some fetish? Deep-seated mental associations close to the core of the human mind. They might change, as people do, but to attempt to rewrite a person's brain without fully informed consent is to conduct hideous brainwashing: raw evil.
>>1315 You are the one who is bringing up brain washing. I just state that if people are really able to grow up again then perhaps the shit that triggered them to want to commit crimes might not happen this time at all.
>>1297 >Using mechanical modes of mind-reading that are bound to the limits of wave-carriers. >Not using telempathy and bypassing sensory stimulation entirely. Interesting idea, but you have to work on the implementation anon.
>>1316 And I'm saying you can't do it. The consensus on the original discussion on the other thread was that mental AR is mind destruction and you can't mentally grow up again without mental AR. The very best you could (ethically, with informed consent) do is conduct therapy sessions with the rejuvenated adult, which might be easier in that physical state. >>1322 The post you were were replying to was a post-Singularity uploaded minds scenario. Everything's as direct as it can be. In such a world, there are things we could do with this fetish (and with any fetish) that we cannot even conceive of.
>>1324 >And I'm saying you can't do it. The consensus on the original discussion on the other thread was that mental AR is mind destruction and you can't mentally grow up again without mental AR. And I'm saying that if you were put in regression then the part of your brains that learns language would activate again for example. Among many other things our young brains stop doing would get a 2nd chance. This isn't mental AR. Hell I'm pretty sure the part of your brain that has a sex drive would be gone as well so one could argue that a pedo wouldn't be a danger in the community anymore even because they wouldn't need to act on their urge besides the fact that they physically couldn't do it. So its a manner of would they grow up the same? Because part of me doesn't think they would unless some factors were the same. A lot of ABDL report having early childhood experiences shaping their adult lives. So would we grow up to be abdl again?
>>1327 >This isn't mental AR. Hell I'm pretty sure the part of your brain that has a sex drive would be gone as well You're talking about nuking parts of someone's brain as the effects of rejuvenation and then saying it's not mental AR. This is the whole problem with the concept, right here.
>>1333 I'm not saying nuked someone's. I'm asking would that shit even be active. Like if someone is regressed would it be like they underwent chemical castration or so.
Uhm, did you ever see ghost in the shell? The last scene has "the Major" and the artificial intelligence "puppet master" as one entity merged conciousness into a little girl's body, a body that could easily be 5 years old. So, you are incorrect about the movie, it does exactly that.
Is age regression like that "500 year old vampire loli" but for diaper fetishists?
>>3043 Age regression can be a lot of things to be fair.
>>3043 I can't speak for everyone, but in basically every way it's the opposite for me. >I want to self insert as the one being regressed >Instead of a child doing adultlike activities, I (an adult) want to be forced into doing childlike activities >500 year old dragon/vampire loli usually is a way of subverting authority (she's old, she can do whatever she wants!) -- I want the opposite, I want to be subject to authority, rendered helpless, cared for, always under supervision, not even allowed to walk around on my own (constantly moved from crib to playpen to buckled into carseat or highchair, etc)
>>3046 This pretty much is me as well. With a few differences I guess. Self inserted yeah. Not so much as forced into doing the activities but more like weened into it or my small self just has old wants that came back hard. A need to wanna nurse on something for example is common in babies, and it calms them down. And its way too hard to handle a big person cup now, so unless I want it all over me I better just drink from a baby cup. Though the forced into it could work. I mean I keep accidentally getting in the way in the kitchen, I almost knocked someone over and my attempt to get stuff out of the fridge on my own just created a big mess...and I can't cook for myself, so my caregiver just asks me to please just stay in here for a while til they come get me. But today they are gonna make cookies with me so I can help! They told me to sit still on the table though and I'll get to mix some stuff they give me into the pot and use a spoon on it! Stuff like that is fun.
>>3046 >>3047 A lot of regression fantasies seem to be focused on loss. Loss of adult abilities (including mental abilities), loss of freedoms. This crap reminds me of the childhood I actually had, the childhoods I've seen other people have, the evil shit I don't want to see done to anyone. In my opinion, it mars the experience of regression, just pours a big bucket of black, oily tar on the whole idea. I don't want to lose anything, I don't want important stuff taken away from me, and I only want to be punished if I've actually done something wrong, which I don't ever want to do anyway because my mommy would be mad at me. In my ideal world, it's not that I can't act like an adult, it's that I don't want to, I don't need to, and no one expects me to. After my morning diaper change, I want to pick out my pretty dress from my well-equipped closet, put on my ruffled socks and do the Velcro on my sparkly shoes, and smile as my mommy buckles me into my reins and walks me to the daycare, where I get to play fun games with all of my friends. I might wear plush mittens or be buckled into strollers and high chairs sometimes, but no one is actually coercing or manipulating me nor anyone I know. Those are bad things, and people who do them should be eaten by the bogeyman.
>>3086 Would you want a regressed kid trying to drive a car still? I assumed weaned into the mindset because if all of a sudden you couldn't go where you wanted or do what you use to be able to do as an adult it would be pretty hard the 1st few months on someone and there would be some resistance from the loss of skills. A sudden shift in skill loss usually doesn't go well with a good % of people. I brought up the cup example not as a forced thing but more of a: well you can either have it on you more or in you but if you keep trying and failing at drinking from the big cup you are just gonna be more embarrassed out in public over the mess you make.
>>3091 Did you miss my point entirely? You're assuming a loss of skills. Why should there be? I mean sure it might be hard for a regressed kid to drive a car not sized for him, but if we can actually put people into smaller bodies, surely that problem is solvable too, isn't it? The exact mindset you're in right now about how this should work is the thing I have a problem with.
Before you guys get too angry at each other, just take a step back and remember that you'll all be very, very dead long before any of this is even remotely possible. This is all strictly in the realm of fantasy so chill out and just accept that you're not turned on by the same fictional scenarios.
>>3086 I think my desires are rooted in the fact that I do so much to proactively do the right thing. I always step up and volunteer, I take the lead, I do the extra work. If I have freedom, I'm going to use it selflessly. Therefore, I want to be confined. Pampered against my will. I like the idea of spankings and cuddles being used as reinforcement to condition me to be much more submissive, obedient, and passive. In the most extreme cases, this involves "training down" my vocabulary to just a handful of words more appropriate to my new stature.
>>3093 I have realistic reasons to disagree, but this is the perfectly wrong place to discuss them. >>3095 Of everything posted here, this makes me want to give the poster a hug, some time in a playpen with plush toys, an early bedtime in a comfortable crib wearing a mittened bunting bag, a breakfast in a high chair, and instructions to come back before dinnertime.
>>3092 I mean you assume the reason people were put into smaller bodies was because of a self done thing for starters. I mean what if the "ar virus" is a thing that comes about and with the reduced size comes a loss of motor control as well? What if it is an weapon for war? Plus even if we can just put people in smaller bodies on our own like you seem to be bringing up I'm pretty sure there will be a learning period of adjustment. I mean think of how puberty and the slight sudden growth makes some kids a klutz til they get use to it (if they do) and that going in a more extreme manner in the opposite direction. I could see telling someone to play with big large building blocks sort of meant for small kids but put less child friendly to keep up their skill set some. Stuff like that is already used in real life to try and prevent loss of skills or in rehab.
>>3046 "I am not a baby! I'm just a surly midget.."
I'm honestly surprised at how little AR discussion 8kun has, sort of spoiled for content here.
>>3208 The no loli or shota rule I assume is scaring people off of it topic wise. So anyone got any scenarios they like with ar?
>>3208 8kun is completely cucked at this point
>>3212 I suppose, though I personally don't really see the overlap. As for AR scenarios, I do think that accidental or circumstantial ones can be fun. Like someone helping their regressed friend. You get a different sort of caretaker dynamic and the idea is kind of cute.
>>3218 Who says it has to actually overlap? Just the fear is enough. Enough abdl get scared of people thinking they are pedo when they aren't as well. Scenario wise. I guess I should answer and talk about what I like myself. -Old Childhood toys you found in the attic restoring you to old times directly because they want to be played with again. Naturally just coming across old toys and the like or a "haunted nursery" is fun as well. -A family reunion gone wrong after everyone posed for an old photo like they took a long time ago. Suddenly everyone in that picture is somehow the same age they were when the 1st photo was taken. But the only ones aware of the area being changed are the ones too small to do anything about it other than have to be shocked they are suddenly getting their diaper changed. -Genie showing they are a genie and monkey pawing your wish or a Witch or wizard showing you are just a little tyke you aren't any match for them. Maybe this magic was triggered by them knowing an old nick name your parents used to call you? Showing maybe they happen to know you more than you thought before you ran into them for whatever reason as well. -Partner who worked on you for this miracle drug wants to take the full credit and fame for it. But hey you at least don't have to worry about working the rest of your life as well. You are set and good to go even! -Robot that became self aware injecting "nano machines" into your body breaking it down into older form in the back of your memory that was a more easy to handle self for the robot. Then taking the DNA they got from you product and shaping their fake skin into a copy of themselves and running around society as you. -The latest and greatest in gaming was actually started off looking more like a EMG was being started on you. What is up with this?
>>3220 Yeah, I can see why, just sucks that the community has to police themselves over the majority's presumptions. Anyways, the first scenario is a pretty classic one. Hadn't actually heard of the nick name idea from #3. Sort of surprised that that isn't used more often.
>>3233 AR Scenarios are always kind of fun to come up with. What about being in a groundhog day loop where you repeat each day but you keep getting younger each time it happens? And yeah people getting up n arms over not real drawings, music, video is in general one of those things I'll never get. Certain games like Grand Theft Auto and various graphic movies and music are popular and you don't see people running off to do that shit irl. They just want an outlet to express shit on in a free way.
So not to judge or anything but just curious. Is it just me but is there a lot of Male to Female age regression art and stories out there? I do sort of wonder why.
>>3292 To be honest I haven't noticed much. I know that TG+AR is a thing but it seems rather niche. That being said, I think the TF community has some output of it, though their tastes tend to land outside of the ABDL sphere.
>>3293 Well just saying I'm pretty sure the amount of male to female ar is close to the amount of just male ar. The ratio of female to male ar is lower than any other ar out there though funny enough.
>>3292 >>3298 I have this interest myself. I'm male but I love to imagine myself regressing into a diapered little girl. I don't know what the motives of the average person into this are though. For me it's really just an overlapping of a lot of interests. I've been into diapers, age regression, loli and sissy / feminization stuff for a long time, and basically combined it all and liked the fantasies that resulted. Since they're both types of transformation, and ones that don't really contradict each other, they go really well together I think. Plus I've already been a little boy. Not that I didn't like that, but it's more fruitful and lewd to imagine something I haven't experienced.
>>3299 I mean I can get it for you, if you want it all the more power to you. And if the person in question for the story was not happy as a boy than that is fine as well. But It just feels like it would lead to some trauma down the line for the regressed person to be turned into something they aren't and they don't want. Sure they might not want the regression even but still. At least they were once that. And even if the regression is permanent or something it doesn't seem as bad as just being made into something else completely different. So yeah I guess the subject breaks the suspension of disbelief for me a bit and it just makes me think of the various stories out there of someone being born a boy but raised as a girl or so and it not ending up well for them.
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>>3299 I know exactly how you feel. I'd also prefer to be turned into a little girl than a little boy. A part of the appeal for me is definitely the fact that everything aimed at girls just seems cuter and somehow more babyish. It's similar to the way that being turned into a toddler gives you the freedom to wear diapers and have accidents without being judged. Being turned into a little girl gives you the freedom to dress in frilly pink outfits and play with dolls. There's also the fact that I find lolis more attractive than boys, so being in a loli body would make me feel cuter and more attractive every time I looked in the mirror.
>>3306 We might have differences in what we think is cute. But yeah I like the idea of being regressed to toddler ages and dealing with the limits from that such as diapers. Though to be fair I don't think anyone cares if a boy age 2-5 is caught playing with a doll or playing dress up in a dress these days.
>>3319 That last bit kind of reminds me of the Victorian-Edwardian-ish holdover where young children were seen as vaguely androgynous. I think there's still a photo of Roosevelt's early childhood where he has a dress.
>>3320 Yeah pretty sure we can thank disposable diapers for little boys graduating to pants earlier these days than they use to.
>>3319 >Though to be fair I don't think anyone cares if a boy age 2-5 is caught playing with a doll or playing dress up in a dress these days. Unless he has the wrong parents with the wrong kind of Munchausen's syndrome.
>>3323 >wrong kind of Munchausen's syndrome What is the right kind of this now?
>>3306 You get my line of thinking almost exactly. Things aimed at boys often seem a bit more ultimately adult-oriented, e.g. we play with cars, construction vehicles and toy soldiers and stuff from pretty early on, but stuff for girls retains the same sort of cute and innocent vibe much longer with stuff like dolls to care for, playing house, playing as a princess and the like. The pink and pastel colors on a lot of girls stuff also gives me strong ABDL vibes that I can't resist. And it's the same for me - I find lolis very attractive. I love their bodies, especially their stomachs, their flat chests, their little butts and thin, supple bodies. Thinking about little boys or being a little boy just doesn't do anything for me at all. But even typing up what I loved about lolis above started to make me feel a bit excited. I would love to look in the mirror and see a cute little girl, maybe around toddler age, standing in the mirror looking back at me. Not to mention that then I could clothe that body in adorable frilly dresses and thick diapers. I just love to imagine it and envision it.
>>3326 >boys cars, construction vehicles and toy soldiers >girls stuff like dolls to care for, playing house Idk these ideas are still the same to me. Getting dolls to care for is early prep for an important job in society as well (child care and so on). I mean there are plenty of baby dolls out there with the things wanting to get fed or changed and so on. And stuff like cars and construction for early childhood is clearly more friendly behind it for a little kid (though that might be for the parent as well in its own way). Really I could argue they are the same. Construction stuff and more is just getting little ones to prep for building it but playing house is the idea of maintaining it so it don't break down. Toy soldiers, pretty much in the same idea of dressing a kid up and letting them pretend to be a firefighter, police officer, doctor/nurse, super hero, etc. The nice thing about pretend play besides seeing what the child knows and thinks goes on with stuff is it can also help foster a caring role for the kid to help people as well behind something friendly. Or at least it is suppose to. Princess fits into this role as well actually. "Leaders" are important after all. And it isn't like a lot of boys don't mind being a prince as well. And while it is true that the type of help being put into these roles is different. The fundamental idea of trying to make the kid care for others and showing others just how a kid sees these roles is still there. Though this isn't really physically attractive to me though. I want to be a little diapered boy again to sort of escape the pressure of adult life. Not have to worry about if I screw up someone is gonna potentially suffer besides me. I want to run to someone that cares for me still w/o strings attached to it off of what I have to provide in return to them. The being put in the diaper part of it is just part of that me giving up the responsibility of adult life as well in a way, I'll admit the diaper part doesn't have to be there but what caregiver is gonna trust a tot to know how to care for themselves after all lol. It is sort of selfish for me to have these thoughts though I'll admit IMO. Granted wanting to be small again does have another part of it. The scale of the world when you are small, the world is made for adults and we just run by it as kids. Zelda: Ocarina of Time does this well, child link can't climb up on ledges as well as adult link but he can crawl in smaller holes and explore his own things for example. Its why I want that age regression rune in Breath of the Wild 2 for example as well. No other Zelda has got the 2 times for the world in it.
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>>3327 >Being the child To be honest, and differing motivations aside (God knows there's already tons of different paths to this), I feel like this is sort of understated nowadays. I feel like its almost a defensive reaction so that you don't look like too much of a prude or something, or just because it's sort of cringe-worthy given the selfishness that you mentioned, but the general childhood longing is what led me to this in the first place. Obviously wanting to be cute and cared for can be considered in and of itself paper moon tier, but I don't really see how it's any different from the varieties of ABDL horniness in that regard. It's just sort of odd since I used to feel that the being a kid aspect was so widespread as to be understated, and nowadays there's more adult content and even looking for some stuff about just kids might come under suspicion. 90% of this is probably just due to where I'm looking, and there's always been the porn, not saying there's anything wrong with that. But it is still weird when other ABDLs are the ones who suspect you of being a pedo for just having the desires that start a good portion of ABs. And sorry other anon, I'm not trying to be mean to you with this. Rambling aside, is that rune in BotW 2 a thing? Haven't heard much about it.
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>>3328 >BotW2 ar rune I feel it has a chance of being a thing because of what happens in the 1st game. A supporting character in BotW was age regressed down to just a little 6 year old girl due to messing with tech she didn't understand. The 2nd game could very well have had her fixed the issue of control in it and give you access to it (or have it affect you as this comic shows if you read her diary for example). Zelda already has a small amount of ar in it series wise as well. >Ocarina of Time >Majora's Mask >Oracle of Ages >now Breath of the Wild, with a sequel to that coming up that left Purah stuck in her childhood body And you aren't being mean to me with this. Really the funny thing about the general childhood longing leading us both to this in the 1st place it seems is it isn't even that strange IMO. A lot of people have found memories of when they were kids and missing that time. Any nostalgia thread with people talking about old cartoons or video games will show that. And how a lot of ABs get their thoughts in general is just a different version of that. Its strange how people don't see that. I mainly blame the thought that people have no memories of those ages of course but still. A funny thing about those threads is if you say you miss being cared for more directly you get those people turning on you sometimes. I think part of that rude behavior a lot of little have towards AB and say little isn't AB is just denial or them wanting their cake and eating it to. They are on the same coin though in thought. Being regressed to a 10-12 year old isn't gonna have you give up a lot of your personal freedom and power but it gives you the want to be care free feeling still to a point. Worse thing a 10-12 year old has to deal with or at least should have to deal with is school. But you'll still have your mom/dad/caregiver willing to make your favorite meal for you sometimes I bet as well! But if you get reduced down to a tot who isn't even potty trained yet. You are potentially giving up a lot of personal freedom and of course privacy but in exchange for the extra care from others in return. As for people calling anything ar pedo. I feel the best way to deal with stupid shit like that is just to ask them if they think something like Mortal Kombat Babalities are pedo? Combat their ridiculous accusation by pointing out how stupid they are with an wildly known to the public example.
>>3330 Yeah, thanks, sort of covered points I couldn't articulate. Despite how mundane one would figure thinking about this would be by now, it still turns up some insights at times. And yeah, you're right in that LoZ has had some AR (+AP in Ocarina) in the past, hadn't heard of that in BotW though. Those sort of rune shenanigans do actually sound interesting mechanically and in environment design, if they ever include it.
>>3330 >>3328 I wonder if this is a reason why Diaper Dimension stories (at least the sweet ones, not so much the dark ones) became popular... the whole thing of being small in a world sized for bigger people, but still being physically an adult human...
>>3333 There are sweet Diaper Dimension stories? Because nearly every one of them makes me ask why Earth's governments haven't started portaling in Tsar Bomba-tier nuclear weapons and/or Amazon-targeted bioweapons.
>>3335 Not many, but they do exist... (Making the Best of It act 1, although the darker second act does have a happy ending; The Biggest Little Vacation may or may not count, it's mostly set in an earth dimension after all; Done Adulting; and there's a couple of roleplays on dailydiapers too, A New Start and Brie's First Girlhood which are basically two halves of the same narrative) ...have I gone too far off topic now?
>>3335 I'm not very familiar with this type of story. What makes them usually a nightmare?
>>3340 there is a video game made based off the diaper dimension on Fox Tales Times. Alison's Adventures in the Diaper Dimension. Its been a while since I beat Chapter 1 but... The protagonist Alison is a normal 18 year old girl dwarf...or human. I don't remember the full details so take what I say as not potentially fully accurate. Either way humans and smaller are pretty much just 2nd class citizens in the world of giants there. Nearing graduation one of her classmates spikes her drink or something at school and she has an accident and as a result she gets shipped off to a "daycare/nursery" to be turned into a baby since that accident clearly showed that was all she is. In order for this to happen there is a mental regression meter from now on and your character "snapping" and breaking from then on or not is sort of up to how you play. The nursery is ran by "Mommy" Elizabeth and she has been told to focus on you pretty much right away cause as it would turn out someone wants to adopt you to be their baby asap. That someone turns out to be that classmate that got you sent there in the 1st place. Either you break asap or you run out of time before the adoption for the normal game over for this ending to happen. You have a time limit to figure out how to get out. Either way to go about mentally regressing you "Mommy" Elizabeth will do all sorts of asshole things to break your spirit such as lock you in a closet for an uncertain amount of time for example. Either way you can beat the 1st chapter and pretty much do what Mommy Elizabeth had planned for you and turn her into a drooling ditz (she is the final boss there before you can escape). But as you and potentially 3 other "babies" you talked into fighting the power go to escape you get ambushed by a more powerful giant and are put into more of a "prison" situation next. Which kind of sucks because the game ends there. Wish the maker just did a "Neverland Wonderland" situation where the "kids" flee the daycare to look after their own for the end of chapter 1 if they were just gonna end it all.
>>3340 Because they're fucking Gor with diapers and horrific mind rape.
>>3346 I guess you summed it up better than me
>>3346 >Gor Heh, great comparison. If I may... >The woman cringed as her owner brought forth the diapers. "I am a woman!" she cried indignantly. "How dare you diaper me! Guards!" she called. "Guards!" >Borin, her owner, placed the diapers on the table and looked at her. "You will be diapered," he said. >"You do not dare to diaper me!" laughed the woman. >"You will be diapered," said Borin. >"Do not diaper me!" wept the woman. >"You will be diapered," said Borin. >I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the woman would be diapered. She was woman, and on Gor she had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both woman and man to go unhappy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and adult baby, such might not happen. Perhaps there, she would not be diapered. But she was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel her true place, that of an adult baby. She was a woman. She would be diapered at will. Such is the way with women. >Borin picked up the diapers, and muchly diapered the woman. The woman cried out. >"No, Master! Do not diaper me!" The master continued to diaper the woman. "Please, Master," begged the woman, "do not diaper me!" The master continued to diaper the woman. She was woman. She could be diapered at will. >The woman sobbed muchly as Borin laid down the diapers. She was not pleased. Too, she was wet. But this did not matter. She was woman. >"You have been diapered," said Borin. >"Yes," said the woman, "I have been well diapered." Of course, she could be diapered by its master at will.
>>3366 You lifted this straight outta Houseplants of Gor, didn't you? https://mindstalk.net/houseplants.html
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So, I noticed there has been some drama on 8kun after someone tried to start an age regression thread over there. The worse part about treating drawings, paintings, stories, etc as real people is that real kids can end up suffering for it all the same as the person drawing and/or possessing the non real media. Each time some smooth brained Karen moral guardian reports someone for a drawing saying "think of the non real children in it" the reality is it takes away resources used for fighting and finding people who look and make rl cp because when someone reports someone people have to investigate claims like this no matter what. On that thought, anti-Karen laws. The more I witness and hear of the emotion, physical, and social damage of a false report and the real threat that each time the law gets in the real chance of violence being used is a thing that makes me more and more glad for anti-Karen laws.
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>>3386 Either that anon wasn't aware that we had fairly active AR threads or was stubborn and didn't want to go here. I've noticed that people have tried to avoid this place, I don't know if it's the loli/shota and that they live in some shithole that considers it cp or have some dumb moral reason. It's not that difficult to set up full disk encryption and use a vpn or tor if you want something free if you don't want to get caught. Whatever the reason is it does keep out the normalfags from coming here. Having issues with underage characters or ar seems to be a recent thing because no one gave a shit about it until recently or at least that is when I started noticing people complaining like on deviantart, tumblr and reddit. Now the complaining is on twitter and still on reddit and has somehow leaked into /aco/ and 8kun which is confusing because I don't know what the fuck they are doing on an imageboard. I think it's just an attempt to try to "normalize" abdls by not being associated with things that can be interpreted as something pedos would be into. They want to show this fetish in a positive light at the cost of trying to tell artist and writers what they should and shouldn't do.
>>3386 >>3388 I hate moral grand standing with a passion. Shots/loli is just one of those things that are damn near indefensible because of the "you're a pedo" accusations. But nobody is hurt by it. The same people angry about these pictures are probably the same people who go around harassing people for walking through a park without a mask. I just wish living in a society where people left each other alone wasn't a fever dream.
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>>3388 The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that these same people will claim to be champions of social justice and opposed to discrimination on the grounds of sexuality. The hypocrisy of conducting a witch hunt against a sexual minority who are going out of their way to avoid causing any harm is apparently lost on them.
>>3388 >Having issues with underage characters or ar seems to be a recent thing I'm not sure it is so recent. It actually has been going on for a more than a few years at least. And it has been targeting more than just loli/shota. Granted this subject matter are the only ones in general it targets that is not just sexual with them, because you can't even draw a picture of a kid w/o some Karen losing their shit these days it seems. But yeah some people just in general seem to be getting pissed about anything being drawn sexual it seems. It is nice to see people fighting back about it though: https://twitter.com/Sutorippu/status/1372743359207514115?s=19 >shithole that considers it cp If seen as obscene then that includes the US. That is the reason why it is banned from 8kun atm. If it is seen as obscene then forget being in possession of it you can't even draw it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors#United_States The main issue is what 'offends and is seen as obscene' to the average person in Kansas could differ from what offends the average person in New York. Funny enough the fact that it is a fucking drawing and not even real and as such is just wasting people's time seems to be low topic brought up in these things. >>3389 Pic related is the main reason to defend the subject matter IMO. If for example a political rival is found with drawings then it be very easy to silence them even if their rival is dealing with something far worse than just drawings, writing, or so on.
I don't really understand how it fell under global admin jurisdiction in the first place; only irl photos of minors are globally banned. Such a global ban for any depiction of a child was not made for drawings, and the images uploaded were not pornographic in nature. By the precedent set they could theoretically delete any normal image of a family or pokemon character. I know the admins can essentially just do what they want, but contravening their own rules sort of eliminates the point of making them.
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>>3395 Well I mean they gave their reason why. I'm of the mindset that the board owner themselves has. The site is not worth hanging out at but, not just because of the global loli and shota rule. Granted I do find it funny that even 1/2 chan seems to have loli and shota topics on their /b/ now n then though.
>>3396 I mean, the images would pass the 2nd criterion of the Miller test, and the 1st would probably be 50/50, so I don't see how it would qualify as obscene, let alone sexual abuse. As far as I can tell, they didn't write a justification for using that reason.
>>3397 I mean the Miller test is a fucking joke anyway and it shouldn't even be applied when it comes to works of fiction that don't deal with real life people. But good luck with the boomers in court still on dealing with it. But yeah I'll admit the funny thing though about the idea of loli and shota is they treat them all the same no matter what even if the subject matter isn't x-rated. Really go and start a topic on /v/ or something asking about what games have age regression or let you play as a little kid and chances are you'll be finding yourself banned on both 1/2 chan and 8kun.
I don't understand why anyone is even using 8kun. What niche do they cater for? Reddit already provides a place for heavily censored ABDL discussion where the rights of fictional drawings are protected at all costs.
>>3399 It came back at the right time I guess
>>3399 They must be totally unaware of the existence of this place. We’re slow but we’re a million times better than 8kun in every regard. Better website, can actually post lolis and talk about that sort of stuff, etc.
>>3402 If they are unaware of this place it is their own fault. The Board Owner at 8kun alone tells people about it in a sticky. Though the guy made a good point in the now gone ar thread that people don't seem to wanna read.
>>3379 Well spotted, and of course
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Anyone wanna talk about the various ar in fiction? At least in video games I have the following on this list. I'm more than willing to bet I'm missing some though.
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>>3415 Would help if I make a better picture I guess
>>3415 >>3416 Not going to lie, I like obscure AR shit from normal media. One trope I've noticed is AR accomplished via some sort of body swapping. It tends to be pretty rare given how weird and discomfiting it is, even by AR standards, but even this can slip its way into some normie works. One example would be Tekumel, a science-fiction/fantasy setting that M.A.R. Barker made, originally off of the coattails of D&D, though it eventually became its own thing. In it, one of the rarer spells that the priests of Belkhanu have is known as Re-Embodiment, and allows the implantation of a soul into a mindless body. This usually involves the Rite of the Avulsion of the Spirit-Soul, which is pretty fucked (its mentioned that the temple doesn't even like to offer it, and pretty obviously to us even once is messed up). This involves severing a soul from the body and automatically casting it into the "Unending Gray", basically a limbo. From there on a new one can be implanted. The text actually mentions that the spirits of newborns are more easily dislocated, and that you thus don't need the Rite of the Avulsion of the Spirit-Soul in order to use Re-Embodiment on them. As a small consolation, the text never says that this "natural" dislodgement sends them to the Unending Gray. Another one is from the novel, "The Several Minds," by Dan Morgan. The plot is honestly tl;dr (I only found this from a book that overviewed other ones), but at one point the protagonist, a telepath, is fighting for mental control of an enemy. For some reason during this a baby of some random couple dies due to a brain embolism and the protag decides to transfer his consciousness into the body, repairing the brain sufficiently for survival in the process. Then the enemy tries to hold him hostage to discover how to become immortal through transfer, but he's able to be killed. The overview didn't really give the context or motive for this and I honestly just mentioned it due to the sheer surreality of finding this mentioned in normal reading. Both of the examples are obviously quite disconnected from traditional "fandom" AR aesthetics, which is sort of what made them notable enough to mention.
>>3417 Interesting stuff friend. Transferring the mind into a new body for AR I don't think happens that often for AR and I think it is usually to a doll or some other object. Though for more known example if you think about it that was what was the villain Chucky has been trying to do in Child's play by stealing Andy's body. I wonder if voodoo has been used for AR before? I sort of want to get some voodoo stuff with AR now.
>>3418 That's a good question, usually AR involving magic is of the generic fantastical kind instead of being based off of a real-world tradition. I think the classic voodoo doll setup lends itself to more general ABDL tropes, but I can't say I've heard of an AR example, though just off the topic of my head I can think of behavioral AR from manipulation of the doll. I can also see spirits being involved, but given their presence in other magic systems I'm not sure how one would distinguish them.
>>3419 Well the AR idea for Voodoo I had could be someone takes a couple of voodoo dolls one tall and looking like an adult and one small and looking like a baby or so and then transfers the person's items (like the lock of hair or whatever) from the big one which they already got the person under the control of to the small one while chanting something like: This is now the body you have now. But yeah I've seen abdl stuff used for Voodoo dolls. The old Secret Squirrel cartoon had a voodoo doll episode where Morocco Mole is playing with a voodoo doll of his boss without knowing better and puts the guy into a diaper and a few other things go on. Its the last episode I guess of the show with the characters even besides stuff like Harvey Birdman.
>>3419 I like magic in regression stories. For me it's more about the physical regression then the mental one. A big part of it for me is the embarrassment because of clothing becoming to big to wear and being helpless against a full sized person. I was trying to write a story were a few girls get these regression cycles. But I have a bit of difficulty thinking of a fun way to do this. Having them regress at completely random moments can be interesting, but I was looking for something that makes them regress. This way they have something they want to avoid giving them more agency over it. But I have the hardest time coming up with something.
>>3420 That's actually not a bad way to handle AR proper, the method you mentioned is actually a pretty clever way of enabling the build up of the regression sequence, at least without the usual scenario of a drug going through the system or magic taking a while to fully take effect. >>3427 Yeah, I find physical AR to be the main draw as well. Can't quite say the same for the embarrassment over shrinking, though that may also just be because I like stories with kids in general. I must say that AR can enable some pretty cute relationship dynamics, though. I sort of wonder about assessing the demographics of ABDL fantasies in general. When I was a kid, I'd usually focus on AR or just the general fantasy of being a toddler in general. With age I have been open to a bit of "meta" fantasy with adults playing into those roles, but it does feel like those only developed upon exposure to ABDL socialization and that they're a bit removed from my desires in general. I feel like subtler hints of it are more amenable to my tastes, like having the "kid" of the group who people might lightly infantalize, but more explicit ABDL stuff usually just makes me wish I was reading about an actual kid. Just sort of curious if anyone's paths have been different, it'd be interesting to see what preferences develop in isolation and what may be "airborne." I'm sure there is variety, in any case.
>>3343 >18 year old girl This is why you don't want to turn legal, the forces of fics conspire against you. Doubly so if you're female, apparently.
Does anyone remember Test Tube Aliens? Obviously the relation to this board is pretty tangential, but I am reminded of the central conceit of "raising" the alien. In the official lore, the aliens were actually once mature specimens of their race before being rejuvenated by the tech of their predecessors and fleeing the destruction of their homeworld. Basically a way to give them cool backstories while still justifying the function of the toy.
I wrote a regression story that I think most of you might like. https://archiveofourown.org/works/31259435
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>>3430 Same anon as >>3427 < I sort of wonder about assessing the demographics of ABDL fantasies in general Well for me it is more about embarrassment and that most people will be able to overpower you. This is why I enjoy SW as well as AR. Most of the ABDL stories do not appeal to me because I don't like wetting or messing or even age play. What I like about ABDL is the embarrassment of wearing these types of clothes and that mittens and thick soft booties restrict movement. The stories I like usually contain magic and fantasy. Do you have some suggestions for my story?
>>3439 You're SweetJacqueline? I've really enjoyed your stories, especially when they get deep into bondage and babyplay. Please keep it up.
>>3443 Thanks! A Bet to Lose will, of course, continue.
>>3402 >>3399 Really everyone should have migrated when the loli/shota ban rolled out. There is literally no downside to using this board as far as I can see. Loli and shota is allowed here, as is non loli and shota content. BO is a reasonable person from what I can tell, and interacts with the community from time to time. Also, 8kun has the added downside of being very strongly associated with the whole "Cue anon" thing, which first of all leaves a bad taste in general, and also means that any board hosted on the same site is perpetually living under the shadow of being taken offline indefinitely/permanently and without warning at any time. That already happened once when the original 8chan went down and it nearly destroyed the imageboard abdl community. We barely recovered from that. If that were to happen again, I think we would be even worse off. To make it even worse, with or without 8kun going down, having the population split between both boards is not helping at all. Both boards have low post rates. Its not just an issue of them being split; when you reduce activity, that also reduces derivative activity. People stop posting and lurking because there is so little activity there in the first place. the abdl board on 8kun is slowly killing the imageboard based abdl community across all image boards, because: A) It is splitting traffic B) It associates abdl with the Qanon crazies on 8kun C) It is in perpetual danger of being shutdown along with the rest of 8kun because of the aforementioned group. In short, when it comes to the continued presence of abdl in an open, semi-anonymous environment like an image board, 8kun is a liability waiting to happen.
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>>3454 This site got taken down one time as well before 8kun did even. It was just moved to a different server or something though cause it was the loli content that was the reason the provider at the time wanted it down. >>3439 Dungeon Crawling AR is a fun subject to think about. This story was what I thought of funny enough when reading your story where you brought up monsters doing horrible things to their helpless regressed victims as well: https://www.deviantart.com/littlelore/art/A-Small-Nightmare-879336300 Bit of a warning it is horror.
>>3432 Sorry have no idea. As for what I like about AR it is the loss of power and status and the ability to take care of one self.
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>>3461 Yeah sorry, it was these things. Probably just a generational gap.
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>>3460 I was thinking about this as well, but I could not think of a way to make regression a fun mechanic. Having the player regress might be fun but it has to tie into the game itself. Like for example a bunch of hentai games have this stupid struggle mechanic. To see the lewd animations you need to let yourself get hit by the enemy or worse lose; aka play poorly. Could you think of a benefit of AR in a dungeon? I was thinking of letting the player regress others, but then someone reminded me that a bunch of people would love to see the player character regress as well.
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>>3472 I think the best approach is to allow the player to win the game regardless of the character's regression level. Rather than being a lose condition it could simply force the player to make different strategic choices or follow different paths. For instance, there could be tunnels which only a toddler can fit down, or a toddler might not be heavy enough to trigger certain traps. Another idea I had (actually for tabletop games) was to link magic and regression. Magic makes you more powerful but comes with some embarrassing side effects. Then your choice of fighter-vs-mage determines whether your character ends up regressing. The causality could be the other way round too, so that regression improves your character's magic abilities. Bathroom desperation mechanics could also be incorporated such that characters who aren't wearing diapers are forced to make regular detours and suffer negative status effects due to desperation and/or soiled clothes.
>>3472 I absolutely can. The Imagination Dungeon is a place where the more powerful your imagination is, the more powerful you are. Sure, you can go gallivanting in there with the swords, platemail, and even firearms of an adult, but unless you're packing the space lasers, flying armor, and princess magic of a little kid, you don't stand much of a chance.
>>3474 Similar to this, actually. Deeper into childhood = more aptitude to make unreal things happen.
>>3472 >Like for example a bunch of hentai games have this stupid struggle mechanic. To see the lewd animations you need to let yourself get hit by the enemy or worse lose; aka play poorly. Yeah its a common thing in games with ar as well actually funny enough. The you have to play poorly to see it that is. Maximo, Zelda: Oracle of Ages, Super Ghouls n Ghosts et. = get hit by a somewhat easy to avoid attack (the only one that has any challenge to avoiding it is Maximo out of these) to get reduced to a little tot. It even comes up with a babality for example in Mortal Kombat. In order for you to use that finishing move on someone you have to play with a self imposed handicap in the final round (in this case beat the person w/o blocking in every game besides MK2). So someone had to be playing poor to use it. Though I like it here. Nothing like a little bragging rights to your game (Man fighting you was like fighting a child!) But yeah the get hit and get turned into a child is a mechanic for a certain hentai game out there as well. Your Sweet House Succubus Mama and Eldritch Mansion. Kind of wish that wasn't a hentai game because I did like the idea of how age regression was used in that (at least mechanic wise)...just didn't like what happened after. >>3474 >For instance, there could be tunnels which only a toddler can fit down, or a toddler might not be heavy enough to trigger certain traps. I like these ideas. They funny enough are used in a few games. Dragon's Dogma a child character can get into small holes, and recovers stamina fast. But they can't carry as much, get pushed around by strong winds, and them recovering stamina fast isn't a good trade off when they burn it fast and can't cover as much ground as an adult. Sadly Dragon's Dogma doesn't have ar. Zelda: Ocarina of Time again sort of has this stuff in mind. Can't climb up ledges easily, or even hold a proper shield correct. But you can fit in small holes. Shame the ability to go from kid to adult and back again is only in one place. >>3477 Oh please you think your princess magic has any chance against my ultimate holy sword!? >its just a stick I picked up off the ground >>3478 Pretty fun but could be used both ways as well. More dangerous foes for a kid with their over active imagination could be a thing. >>3468 Yeah I was too old to notice them I guess when they came out.
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>>3474 >>3487 These are some very good ideas. Not only is regression not a losing condition but it enables a different way of interacting with the game world. How about a Alice in Wonderland themed dungeon crawler? Several characters get transported to a strange dimension. To get back they need to go through a certain looking glass/mirror. The player could be looking for shards or something to fix the mirror. The core gameplay loop is getting strong enough to beat the dungeons. There could be two main states the player and enemies can be in: big or small. Some items, spells, traps or creatures can make a character switch between these states. Each state has its downsides and upsides. big/normal: +You hit harder in combat and have better defenses. -Magic refils much slower. +-Some enemies you will not have to worry about +you can jump small gaps +more equipment available +you can force down some doors -you will trigger traps more easily -?? small/regressed: +magic and better recovery -you have less health +-Some enemies you will not have to worry about +time based status effects will effect you for a shorter time +less change of triggering traps +you're able to crawl in small spaces -some enemies are more dangerous to you -?? I was thinking about having childish clothes and items give better recovery, but making the user more easily effected to certain status effects like sleep. Would love to hear more suggestions regarding this. It would be fun if status effects also effected enemies. 'Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja' did this and it gave combat a lot more dept. You had these spell tags that you could cast yourself or throw it at the enemy to force them to cast it. For example you could teleport a boss away from you by throwing a teleportation spell at it. I think this could work as long as the game is fun to play.
>>3494 >small/regressed: -some enemies are more dangerous to you Really should be most enemies are. Combat really shouldn't be a goal if you aren't even big enough to lift a sword. Plus even if you have "more energy" as a kid it seems to go away much faster. Though thinking of other games that did regression: >Space Ace growing up routes made the game harder cause it was for more skilled players >Henry Hatsworth and the Puzzling Adventure uses a meter to control your suits power. Over charge it and you grow back to your old man stat.
>>3496 >Really should be most enemies are. Combat really shouldn't be a goal if you aren't even big enough to lift a sword. Things like that can always be tweaked. Maybe though enemies will ignore you when you are small? Or if you have some other suggestion I would love to read it. It's just that I thought that always having to run away isn't that fun. The most frustrating moments for me in a dungeon crawler were when I was at the brink of death and every enemy would have been deadly. I guess having to deal with that for a short while until you can fight again isn't that bad, depending on how long it lasts. My idea for it was that both states have their advantages and disadvantages. What those are and how that would work still needs to be ironed out.
>>3497 Well maybe instead of having to run then you have to work a lot harder to kill stronger foes. OoT does this again by just the fact that a mini boss for Young Link is a full on boss for him. Dead Hand in bottom of the well or the Iron Knuckle in Spirit Temple for example. So having to work harder over all to take on the same stuff you could when bigger. But yeah escape could be a more viable option or some sort of puzzle to take out bigger monsters if you are smaller. Granted I could see how some enemies wouldn't feel any reason to "fight you" if you are older. A nan-e bot for example would normally leave an adult alone but any small child it wouldn't let out of the safety of its area. Which could be a bad thing if you are regressed down to a little 2 year old boy and find yourself in a crib or playpen. Which could be bad if there is an actual monster that is stalking the area and the bot is in a run down ship. Make you easy pickings if you find yourself captured and have to escape from something as simple as a crib. Granted a malfunctioning nan-e bot could assume anyone fleshy is a charge for them and try to capture adults as well. Using some nano machines that regress anyone that comes across it because of being taken over by something. Like maybe a desire to be human so if it ends up making you into a baby it then takes your adult form.
>>3499 > A nan-e bot for example would normally leave an adult alone but any small child it wouldn't let out of the safety of its area. Yes, stuff like that for example. I was also thinking that maybe wearing childish clothes could attract these types of enemies. Other enemies or traps can put you in these clothes. To get rid of these clothes you would need to switch size somehow. If you are small you can grow out of these clothes and when you are normal you can shrink/regress out of them. Combat will have to use roughly the same mechanics even when you are small. Implementing puzzles and such will be a lot more work. I would be curious if I'm able to make a very simple dungeon crawler.
>>3507 Reminds me of Diaper Quest where you end up getting put in baby clothes a little.
Sometimes I wonder where any age progression equivalent communities are. Pretty sure most content out there focuses on the progression to a young or mature adult, but there doesn't seem much for progression into older adults. Just seems sort of weird since the "wise elder" is about as archetypal as the "innocent baby," and in media most AP is into the elderly, for comedic effect. I do know that some people like elderly characters, so I wonder if there's an AP subcommunity that is sort of equivalent to the AR subsection of ABDL.
>>3519 Age regression is innocence and rebirth, being taken care of, being doted on, being removed from worries and placed into a sublime, childlike state. Like anything else, it can be perverted into twisted, destructive evil, but at its base, it is an act of caring and love. Aging, on the other hand, is just brain damage, physical deterioration, and slow, painful death. There are lots and lots of sick fucks in the world, but few people fetishize that.
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>>3520 >Aging, on the other hand, is just brain damage, physical deterioration, and slow, painful death. Pretty sure people aren't always thinking of that range of aging when talking AP. For every Eveline I'm sure you'd find a Rydia. Its like with AR though. You can see a range of ages people are put to: teenager, tween, child, toddler, baby, returned to the womb. AP has a odd habit of drawing very mature child characters as adults as well. Part of me wants to say that the 1000 year old dragon loli in fiction is just an example of AP. At least mental AP. Or just having stuff like Piccolo Jr being only 3 years old when he 1st fought Goku in Dragon Ball. Sure he isn't human and Cell isn't either but still.
>>3521 Oh yeah there's a huge difference between geriatrics and "let's age up the loli to make her look legal" (Innocent young girl in a nubile body, whatever shall we do with that?) And the ancient dragon loli is cute and innocent forever. AR, not AP aesthetic.
>>3520 >>3521 I've had what I'll refer to as "invalid fantasies" in the past that are centered around diapers but it's rare even for a pervert like me. Usually it's a type of body swap situation in which some horrible person gets their consciousness trapped inside of a frail old weak and incontinent body. Something about how utterly humiliating and degrading that would be for some tough criminal type person appeals to me.
>>3523 Well maybe the ancient dragon loli can be whatever it wants then. AP or AR or none of them. People already I guess had this talk in the thread anyway on the dragon loli. >>3043 >>3046
>>3520 >>3521 >>3523 >>3524 Probably should have specified but I meant AP in general, AR is more unique in that in its most extreme forms it often coincides with ABDL. I think part of it may be that the typical elder tropes also tacitly require mental AP to really work, and even then nagging questions are left. As an example, Obi-Wan is primarily cool because of what he went through. Assuming someone is APed, and even if they somehow acquire the wisdom of age through mental AP, there is still a relative lack of moral virtue in how it is was acquired (not necessarily reflecting ill on the character, just not making them a "legitimate" badass). Also due to its nature, APs in media usually have to be temporary, or else they do just appear to be a quick road to ruin. Still, just made me wonder if there were any fandoms that idolized grizzled veterans and wizened wizards as much as this thread might do with early youth. Sort of like complementary opposites. At the very least it's more interesting than AP into virile young adults, imo (if you're that young, why not just be a kid?).


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