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24/7, incontinence-desires and incontinence Baby 06/08/2020 (Mon) 02:50:45 No. 313
I’m wondering what has become of those anons who said that they were wearing 24/7 during lockdown... if they weren’t careful they might have started losing a bit of control. Any of you guys here? I’d love to try to untrain, but I feel like it will never happen. I’d be nervous of people I’m close with finding out. It’s a big fantasy of mine though.
>>366 >since the lockdown I've been 24/7 and have indeed noticed a sustained loss of control. Don't know what I'll do when I have to return to school. Sounds like someone will need to be padded! My biggest issue, I guess, is not that *people* will find out, I’d be most worried about my parents finding out, because they would get worried why I am suddenly having incontinence issues after never having troubles before. With friends you can explain it away easier, because why would they ever know? Though even with parents the risk is probably lower than one would think — especially if you’re living alone. I live with my parents right now and would never try this until I lived away with them. As for selectively untraining, it’d be something to think about, since urinating only would probably be easier to manage, but on the other hand I have to admit that I kind of like messing. Maybe I’d feel different in a 24/7 scenario though. How does one even date people when you’re untraining though? Just tell them your incontinent? I feel like it would be bad for getting a girlfriend
>>370 >Doing a "trial" where you act as if you're untrained, i.e. mess whenever you feel the need no matter who is around or where you are (and it has to be *no matter who/where*--otherwise it isn't an honest simulation) could be a good way to see how it really is. I’ll have to try that next time I get some diapers. I’ve done a partial version of this before for a few days when no one was home besides me where I just used them as soon as I felt the urge and found it fairly enjoyable, but I haven’t done anything in public or around others.
>>372 Well, I mean, it sounds weird but that's what life is like if you're untrained, so you need to be able to become used to it...
>>374 No, you’re right, if anyone can’t handle that they have no business trying 24/7
I've always wanted to try going 24/7 myself, though a number of things hold me back: >Will live with parents for foreseeable future, much like >>368 >Terrified of the costs -- diapers, wipes, barrier cream, activated charcoal, etc. >Not so much scared that people will find out, so much as the inevitable patronizing reactions from people >I've also heard activated charcoal can react with some kinds of antidepressants and neutralize their effects, and I'd really rather not an hero anytime soon >Worried about discreteness; I'm aware a bulging shape under your pants is more discreet than a big wet splotch, but it's still terrifying to me. >Worried that once I start feeling the effects socially and physically, the appeal will wear off, and I'll be stuck permanently in an unenviable situation (though I guess I could just say I got reparative surgery, or something, so that isn't quite as bad). Usually, when I wear in public, I either go with the highest-absorbency pullups possible (Tena Ultimates are my go-to atm), or thin, cheap no-name diapers. Both of these are catastrophes waiting to happen if I go 24/7. On the bright (?) side, I'm eternally unpopular with women, tfw 27-year old kissless virgin so it's not going to be any worse that way, but I'd be terrified of co-workers, close friends, and family finding out. They'd always see me as "that poor guy who needs to wear diapers! I feel so bad for him!" I'm a very proud man, maybe even a little vain, so that would absolutely devastate me... and I would never be able to reverse the damage once it happened. It doesn't help that I tend to dress very sharply, so wearing baggy-ish pants to hide my diapers would be hard to get used to. One of my biggest dreams is to be able to work at home so I don't have to deal with that as much; I can't put into words how much I would love to untrain and just wet and mess freely with zero inhibitions... but it seems unlikely to ever happen for me. Good luck and godspeed to everyone else who is trying it; I wish you many happy accidents!
>>380 >if you act like an incontinent person, you don't need to be ashamed of a 'medical issue', but you have to completely commit to the act. The thing is, I would know that it was technically a lie. Even if I truly lost control due to untraining, that would still be a deliberate effort on my part, meaning I would have trouble justifying it, especially to people I care about. > I certainly was treated like a less mature person slowly over time as people found out--sort of a reduction in status. Not that I particularly mind That would completely break me. I'm generally considered to be very mature and well-spoken, and I've had more than one friend or acquaintance comment on my eloquence and ability to defend my arguments. My entire reputation would, effectively speaking, be on the line. It makes me pretty mad that people treat others like they're immature just because they have a medical issue they can't control -- one that has no real impact on one's personality or mental state (at least not in that way). >In the US, I'm sure the cost is tremendous I'm a bit to the north of the US, but yeah, just diapers alone would easily get me $1200 or so in the hole, not to mention other supplies. Then again, our dollar is absolute dogshit compared to the burgerdollar. >however in Europe/Australia/NZ one has to explain it all to a doctor and submit to possible tests if he wants to receive them for free Again, even if I became truly incontinent through untraining, I would know I did this to myself, and therefore, I would feel enormously guilty about essentially gaming the healthcare system for my own benefit. That said, I can see how others would justify it, and that's fine. >24/7 means discretion is unachievable, because of the nature of incontinence (you could wet/mess wherever you are!) Never before has something been said to me that sounds so incredibly thrilling, yet so inescapably terrifying at the exact same time. >If you have social anxiety or anything like that, then you don't want to be in a situation where you're too nervous to leave home because you're ashamed of it. Exactly. I'm a pretty radical introvert by nature, so I'd likely be constantly jumping at my own shadow for the first little while, and trying not to involuntarily turn bright red whenever I fill my diaper. I love the sensation of wearing and using, but the social element would quite-possibly overwhelm that comfort and completely distort it for me. >What about it specifically terrifies you? I understand your apprehension on a general level but I'm curious about what specifically underlies it. You probably have a better idea by now, but basically it's just the fact that I would go from a respected source of conversation and debate, to that dude who makes everything awkward because no one can make eye contact with him without trying to figure out whether or not he's had an accident. > :P You laugh, but I'm being serious. The feeling of wearing diapers is incredibly liberating, but the feeling of other people's pity is the biggest day-ruiner there is for me. I hate pity. I hate showing weakness. >Thank you! It has been an absolute dream so far. I hope you find your way, somehow, whether to 24/7 or some temporary experience that still satiates you a bit. I'm glad you're enjoying it; make sure to savour every second. As for me, for now I'm content just wearing during nights and such; quarantine notwithstanding, I would normally occasionally wear during shopping trips, when I could get over myself for five seconds lol. It's fun, but eventually I'd like to decide once and for all whether or not I'll go any further. We'll see lol. >>384 >The thing is, I would know that it was technically a lie. Even if I truly lost control due to untraining, that would still be a deliberate effort on my part, meaning I would have trouble justifying it, especially to people I care about. If it makes it easier, it's a lie which would soon become true, such is the nature of what it is to untrain! You don't have to technically 'lie' as such, you can lead them to that conclusion without specifically saying it, at the same time I understand what you mean. I am not sure it is a very severe lie, if it is one. >That would completely break me. I'm generally considered to be very mature and well-spoken, and I've had more than one friend or acquaintance comment on my eloquence and ability to defend my arguments. My entire reputation would, effectively speaking, be on the line. It makes me pretty mad that people treat others like they're immature just because they have a medical issue they can't control -- one that has no real impact on one's personality or mental state (at least not in that way). I never felt the treatment was cruel or mean-spirited, more like simply treated as less mature because there's that subconscious association between incontinence and childishness I think. Especially since the treatment, at times condescension, comes from a place of care, not one of spite, I didn't mind too much. >I'm a bit to the north of the US, but yeah, just diapers alone would easily get me$1200 or so in the hole, not to mention other supplies. That is unbelievable! I'm in Australia and I would not be able, even if I tried, to spend that amount. Since $1200 is unaffordable, looks like you should consider cloth, or at least using cloth when you're at home. >Exactly. I'm a pretty radical introvert by nature, so I'd likely be constantly jumping at my own shadow for the first little while, and trying not to involuntarily turn bright red whenever I fill my diaper. I love the sensation of wearing and using, but the social element would quite-possibly overwhelm that comfort and completely distort it for me. I am highly introverted like you and rather self-conscious; although I was never diagnosed with anxiety as such, I think I fit the definition. However, I never found 24/7 to be much of an issue in terms of social wife after a little while; in fact, I felt liberated. I find it a bit hard to explain... I suppose it forces one to have a 'radical openness' that ends all sense of bashfulness, self-consciousness; and the fact those around me were all kind about it, if a bit infantilising, made it much easier. >You probably have a better idea by now, but basically it's just the fact that I would go from a respected source of conversation and debate, to that dude who makes everything awkward because no one can make eye contact with him without trying to figure out whether or not he's had an accident. If you really can't get over that, then untraining isn't for you, you just won't enjoy it. Are you sure you can't get over it? Honestly, incontinence isn't something to be ashamed of. >You laugh, but I'm being serious. The feeling of wearing diapers is incredibly liberating, but the feeling of other people's pity is the biggest day-ruiner there is for me. I hate pity. I hate showing weakness. That's completely fair, I understand where you come from. All I can offer is that 24/7 made me escape from that and did make me happier, but it is a rather unorthodox solution, and certainly I am sure each person would respond differently to the lifestyle changes untraining engenders. Being able to show weakness and reveal to others the most private thing about yourself is in some ways building up strength. At least for me. I laugh only because I do wonder whether you'd like other people talking about your diapers... nothing wrong with admitting you kind of want to be seen that way. That doesn't mean you necessarily have to pursue it, or that you should, but it's something I felt to some degree. >I'm glad you're enjoying it; make sure to savour every second. I still haven't tired of it! Even though it's become 'normal', I still feel happy that I can wear 24/7, so fortunate. It's so nice to wet/mess whenever, often unknowingly, as awkward as it sounds. I'm sure others won't understand, but it makes me happy... >As for me, for now I'm content just wearing during nights and such; quarantine notwithstanding, I would normally occasionally wear during shopping trips, when I could get over myself for five seconds lol. It's fun, but eventually I'd like to decide once and for all whether or not I'll go any further. We'll see lol. Yeah, I suppose what you can do is wear in public but not around those you know to have at least a small sense of what it's like. That won't be the 'full experience' but that's a taste of how it is to, for instance, wet/mess in public, use the bathrooms to change, etc. How did you feel when you were wearing on shopping trips? >>384 The bottom line is, incontinence is really quite a change, but not that bad. I found the lifestyle changes positive in some ways. Don't worry too much. It's well worth it for being able to achieve your ABDL desires, for me at least >>388 >I found the lifestyle changes positive in some ways Different anon here, but what were the positive aspects that you found in it? >>386 Not who you're responding to, but you're still lying since you induced this handicap onto yourself. I can do a pretty good lie not too complex though, but I don't know about you, but if I slip up and think about it during the act, at this caliber without delusion, it can really fuck me up keeping the rest of the act in focus. Of course, you can delude yourself that you are incontinent and believe regardless how you got there, it seems perfectly fine since it's now in perpetuity. But that's a slippery slope of delusion and will fuck up your self-awareness if you don't constantly keep it in check. I never tried untraining and I don't want to due to the practicality, but I would think that this relies of consistent self-honesty or else it's going to break down or break you down at some point, plus there's the thought of close to permanent incontinence that would affect the breakdown if that were to occur. Yeah, you could lead them on and avoid the lie, but how sustainable is that? >>386 >I am not sure it is a very severe lie, if it is one. Lying by omission is still lying. And I feel like you're perhaps deliberately overlooking the thing you'd actively need to lie about. Sure, saying you're incontinent would eventually cease to be a lie... but what about any time anyone asks how or why you became incontinent? I doubt you tell them "I really like diapers so I decided to wear them all the time and intentionally lose control of my bladder and bowels." I can almost guarantee you lie and say something like "I don't really know what the cause is, I just lost control gradually." I'm not judging, more power to you. Do what makes you happy. Besides, I'm in no position to judge since I'd absolutely do the same with no hesitation if I lived alone. And I wouldn't call it a severe lie since it doesn't really negatively affect anyone else. Please do recognize though that some amount of lying is necessary here. >>399 >And I wouldn't call it a severe lie since it doesn't really negatively affect anyone else. babystar >>400 I'm only aware of her mediocre comic. How did she harm people by lying about self-inflicted incontinence? >>392 >Different anon here, but what were the positive aspects that you found in it? I feel less stressed, less anxious, more sociable. I've wanted to wear 24/7 since I was 13 or 14, so it's such a relief to be able to at last. In a practical sense, I had a small bladder since before I started--I had to pee around 1-2 times an hour, and this preceded ABDL desires (so I think it is real and medical, not mental...), so it's much easier to not have to rush to the toilet sometimes, or be uncomfortable while I waited, which was common. Still, the main reason overall is I love to wear, and against that all the downsides and impracticalities don't bother me too much. >>398 I don't think I am delusional, it could be that I didn't explain what I meant before as well as I could have. In fact, when I need to be I'm open with others about incontinence, both for ethical reasons and for personal reasons--it makes me more honest, and on a sub-conscious level, makes me come to terms with the fact I have no control. I know what you mean, however. >>399 >Sure, saying you're incontinent would eventually cease to be a lie... but what about any time anyone asks how or why you became incontinent? I doubt you tell them "I really like diapers so I decided to wear them all the time and intentionally lose control of my bladder and bowels. "I can almost guarantee you lie and say something like "I don't really know what the cause is, I just lost control gradually." I admit that it's a lie in the technical sense, but isn't it a white lie? It's not as if I want to take advantage of others--not like that aspie ABDL who pretended to be disabled and hired an actual carer to 'care for him', for his own sexual pleasure; he deceived others, took advantage--whereas what I do doesn't tend to affect others, it's personal to me, and if I ever discuss it with others it's more for social reasons than because I want to somehow use them or abuse them. I don't think I'm amoral either, I think most of us understand it's OK to offer a small lie in certain circumstances, however I understand others could feel different about it, and I don't disparage them. (I also feel like saying "I don't know what the cause is, it happened gradually" is different to, like, "I was in a car accident", or such like--is that fair?) >>400 >>401 Who is she? Never heard of her, is she a CWC-like figure? Rollcall, who here /24:7/? >>401 She lied about the true nature of her condition to the NHS and wasted tax payer money on her fetish. >>402 She creates shitty diaper fetish web comics that do nothing for 100 pages or more. Not CWC like, but makes retarded decisions. >>404 >She lied about the true nature of her condition to the NHS and wasted tax payer money on her fetish. Ah right, I remember that from that Metokur video (?) now that you mention it. That's sort of the exact discussion we're already having. She didn't lie about being incontinent and having a medical need for diapers as far as I can tell, she just didn't mention that the condition was self inflicted. I'm not sure whether that means she's done something wrong legally. Like I imagine if you intentionally blinded yourself the state doesn't just go "Yeah no, buy your own seeing eye dog, asshole". Does anyone know how that works, exactly? There's certainly an argument to be made for it being immoral, but using tax payer money for a typical amount of incontinence products to deal with a genuine albeit self inflicted medical need is pretty low on the scale I think. >>405 Well, I think any person who blinded himself intentionally would have to be mad, then again the-powers-that-be I'm sure would call us mad. Then again, they've been amputating the arms of people with BIID for some time now, so maybe in the future I'll be allowed to get surgery to become incontinent from the government. In any case, I prefer diaper training as it's fun to lose control; I never will forget my first few accidents, that's when it really sunk in that this is how I am now :) >>404 >She lied about the true nature of her condition to the NHS and wasted tax payer money on her fetish. The only problem is that she didn't hide it better tbh. >>404 >>409 Any pages where I can read about her and the NHS? Sounds bizarre. How did the NHS find out she was lying; did she simply tell them? If I decide to untrain starting relatively quickly, where's the best place to do a blog about it? I like this place but it's a bit small! The exhibitionist side of me is thinking reddit or tumblr. >>420 Probably Tumblr. Make sure to let us know though >>405 Tax payers didn't pay for her fetish and then all of a sudden they did. Regardless if they do or don't fund this, I don't give a shit what kind of relativistic fuck hole you want to use, she's wasting tax payer money on incontinence that didn't need to exist. >>419 I don't remember how they found out, but I think somebody reported her to them or something. You just need to lurk more to find out more about the degeneracy. That Metokur video had a good amount of information about it, but there's a lot of meta he's missing. >>432 >she's wasting tax payer money on incontinence Tax-payers already give money to useless Jewish wars and anti-white propaganda, they deserve getting duped >>433 >tax payers are getting fucked against their will already, so they deserve to get fucked more ????? >>434 If you take the stance that free will exists, then it definitely isn't happening against their will. They consistently vote for it every 4-5 years. They have had plenty of opportunities to learn from their mistakes, but they never do. On the other hand, if you reject the concept of free will (which you should), then the whole concept of culpability breaks down. She can't be blamed for her actions any more than a rock can be blamed for participating in a landslide. Also, let's all take a moment to appreciate the scale differences involved here. One of those types of "getting fucked" is roughly 100,000,000 times larger than the other. Consider weighting your outrage accordingly. >>435 "Man can do as he wills, but cannot will what he wills", as Schopenhauer said. In the end, I think the free will concern is an academic one; in the real world, we all move around and interact with one another as though we do have free will; that's how we treat each other. The reason I asked about that English girl and the NHS is that I think it's cool she was able to untrain herself to the point where she convinced actual doctors she was incontinent. I was able to do the same, however I had a documented 'poor record' of incontinence from childhood (not actual incontinence, but I had to piss at least once an hour, no matter what I drank; I had to have a lot of MRI scans [for what turned out to be a false alarm]--even when I was 12, I had the "bladder of an infant" I overheard). There's a species of humans who have poor control since childhood and no-one is sure of the reason, although it looks like there it could be connected to DNA and parents--thus, when the doctor went though medical records of mine and saw those little notes from when I was 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, etc, I think he presumed the 'incontinence' I had was related to that, and didn't even bother to order tests (and since I was only 18, he felt for some reason the risk of UTI from the test, that would make the incontinence *worse*, was too much). Still, most ABDLs can't make such a narrative, but it's still advantageous to mention it's been an issue since childhood, I think, given it soothes any idea it's a symptom of any sudden serious issue, and rather makes them think it's just the way you are--as my doctor said, "non-treatment is a perfectly fine option", the implication being that your life seems okay being incontinent, and treatment isn't looking very hopeful--here's a prescription for diapers! >>405 >Ah right, I remember that from that Metokur video (?) now that you mention it. I really hate this. Some tool wants to monster a weirdo, and they can't just out and say "it's because they're a weirdo" because then all the other weirdos would band together, which would both cost the guy viewers and render his journalism impotent, so they find some tedious little detail to use as a lightning rod. Everyone pretending to care a whole lot about proper filing of subform 40618b like a bunch of bitter old soulcrippled Karens filing endless spurious HOA complaints against their neighbor's shrubs. Hi, I've been 24/7 since the pandemic started but haven't had to ever wear in public much, as we've had the lockdown and so on. I want to continue with 24/7 post-COVID, and continue to untrain. Can someone advise me of how to find clothes sized to fit with a diaper? I'm thinking in terms of buying jeans and so on--I like wearing skinny jeans, but obviously I need more space in the seat if I want to wear it with a diaper and actually be able to use it comfortably (because I don't want mess to shoot straight up the back and cause a leak, or something like that). Should I consider sizing up (going from a 30 to a 32 inch waist) or move to a different (baggeir) fit? I am even considering women's fits, since women have bigger asses and the jeans are shaped to their curve? (I feel wearing jeans sized to fit a woman's ass, which is bigger than a man's, is pretty harmless if you do actually have a bigger butt; i don't think it makes you a tranny.) I understand obviously a diaper gives you a different figure and a bigger butt, which I accept, but I want to find a way of going about it that lets me look at least semi-normal lol And if anybody else has any general tips, about wearing in public, clothing, untraining, or whatever is related, feel free to let me know. Thanks >>419 Watch the whole video, you won't be disappointed. https://youtu.be/KNz2ckWNjJM >>366 I'd almost rather be incontinent and let it be a part of life instead of a fetish. But I have a friend who used to be a typical ABDL but lost control when she got paralyzed in a car crash. Now she only caths into a diaper when she's in the mood, and can't mess due to infection risk. She says be careful what you wish for. I also dated a girl who wore diapers 24/7 for wetting and messing from birth until she got surgeries at age 19 to fix it. We met when she was 23 and out of diapers. She was still ABDL but had some really bad experiences because of it, and it was an "only in the mood" thing. Though she said it wouldn't have been so bad except that she was prone to diarrhea from irritable bowel syndrome, so she'd have too many straight up blowouts. Pretty much everyone knew about it in school due to some particular incidents and she almost switched to homeschool but had enough supportive friends. She still had the reflex to pull down her shirt every time she got up to make sure the waistband of her diaper didn't show. She has minor leakage now but can use a poise pad, when she used to need Abena M4s with boosters. The surgery damaged her vagina somewhat and we had to use lots of lube during sex. You're 100% incontinent, to the point that insurance covers quality diapers and you can show someone a doctor's note if you want. But: You're also impotent to the point that you need an injection to get an erection. Would you accept? >>505 >You're also impotent to the point that you need an injection to get an erection. Dealbreaker tbh. Diapers and adult baby stuff is mostly sexual for me. I like the idea of 24/7 as a lifestyle apart from that but I don't know if it'd be worth it then >>505 I'm also into chastity/tease and denial play, so yeah, I accept. Today I accepted a job offer and did something crazy. The boss at my new job asked if I need any accomodations. I told her that I have issues with incontinence and wear absorbent undergarments to manage it. She was really chill about it and showed me the single occupancy toilet and said I could get extra long bathroom breaks. Looks like it's 24/7 for me. >>515 Exciting step, anon. Did it feel awkward at all to say admit that? >>517 Not really. I'm pretty comfortable talking with people about diapers in a medical way. It all started 5 years ago when I went to a drug store looking for diapers. I planned on being quick and quiet if they had good ones. They didn't, but the pharmacist asked me what I was looking for. I was upfront and she was like "well let's see what I can order for you". And at first she was bringing up pullups and I just let slip "I don't wear pullups, I wear diapers". She ended up ordering a case of Abenas for me, and I still go to them for my diapers because they ship faster. Today's conversation felt a lot like that. >>508 Impotence and incontinence. Also for good measure give me a micropenis with hypogonadism instead of slightly below average. >>505 No. ABDL isn't sexual for me--it makes me happy, but my sex drive is still directed towards typical sexual intercourse, not ABDL things--so I would find it horrible to be unable to have sex properly. >>510 Is it really a 'tease' if you become unable to have an erection? I suppose if you're into humiliation it could be fun, but it seems kind of sad to me. >>524 Why on Earth would you want hypogonadism? >>515 Good work! Did you plan ahead to tell her this, or did you simply decide then and there, and decided to take the chance? I remember I wanted to be 24/7 for a little while but was too overcome with nerves, until, quite like you, the opportunity simply presented itself and I went for it, which took me aback (like you, the person whom I revealed it to--my new boss--was completely chill and nice about it, and went on about accommodations and all the rest). That was the first time I had ever said it to someone I knew--there had been other occasions where I'd had to talk to checkout assistants, pharmacists etc (I can recall when I was 15, the self-serve checkout at the market, where I liked to purchase Goodnites, was closed so I had to interact with the person at the normal checkout--who probably couldn't care less, but I felt deeply awkward but also liberated at this semi-public admission of the fact I 'wet the bed' at 15, or whatever). It's become a lot easier for me to discuss such things as incontinence and so on since then, but that was a milestone for me. >>525 >Did you plan ahead to tell her this, or did you simply decide then and there, and decided to take the chance? Decided then and there. I wore a diaper to the interview. I nailed said interview too. >>405 Screw that, I pay for my diapers. I'm not trying to catch a fraud charge. I have a friend who is abdl but also incontinent due to nerve damage. The diapers insurance offers are absolute bottom tier hospital diapers. Basically tissue paper. He uses them for stuffers in his Bambinos. This is in the USA tho. Nhs might provide better stuff. >>407 >They've been amputating the arms of people with BIID for some time now I thought you had to go to a third world country to do that. Anyone have an explanation ready for how they became incontinent? Birth defect? Injury? None of your business? And then if someone has some knowledge of medicine, it could change to "why can't you cath?" Or "why haven't you had surgery?" >>548 I was thinking to blame it on a bike accident. I kinda look like a biker, so it's believable. Caths could be super uncomfortable, and ineffective in case of bowel problems. There's no medicine, that can fix all kind of incontinence, and even surgeries have a dodgy success rate. >>549 Yeah, I'm thinking a severe straddle injury. Can't cath because of bowel problems and uti risk. If someone's nosey enough to ask why I can't do bowel program I guess say I tried and didn't work. >>548 'Neurological issues' or 'nerve issues', although I see no reason to offer tremendous detail. Best in most cases to be casual and not pretend to have too serious a health issue--for a person who experiences (or who at least pretended to experience, after all, we're on an ABDL board...) bladder incontinence, the answer 'small bladder' (which is comprehensible to most) is much better than, like, 'incurable birth defect', 'cancer', whatever the fuck. Lots of older individuals, and women, experience such issues and won't be too weirded out with a causal 'excuse' like 'small bladder', while 'defect' could create concern. >And then if someone has some knowledge of medicine, it could change to "why can't you cath?" Or "why haven't you had surgery?" I cannot imagine the circumstances where I'd have someone question me like that; in all cases, don't answer!--one shouldn't have to be berated like that. >>536 >I thought you had to go to a third world country to do that. Not at all, it's now done in the developed world, where the patient has the 'legitimate' form of BIID. The first case in the UK along these lines was in the mid-1990s, and that was performed under the NHS with public funds. The patient was a woman whose mental issues completely cleared once she lost, I think the bottom of her left arm, which although it disabled her paradoxically able to live a normal life, albeit with only one arm, because she was no longer in emotional turmoil. It's basically legal to do whatever you want in medicine as long as you can justify it as therapeutic, and the doctor in the UK case I mentioned did end up at the Ethics Committee, where he successfully defended himself but brought a lot of bad press to the hospital thanks to the local MP, who was Conservative and conservative-minded. In most cases, BIID is the result of a personality disorder (a particularly severe form of attention-seeking behaviour) or a sexual fetish--in which case amputation wouldn't be offered since, sadly, and quite predictably, having one body part removed simply isn't enough for these people. But for those with 'legitimate' BIID, the removal of the 'offending' limb really does fix their sense of body dysphoria. There's tentative evidence supporting a neurological explanation for BIID, in short, that it's like a reverse phantom limb syndrome where the brain really doesn't think that limb that is there ought to be there. I am interested to see where medicine will go in the future with this, to me the ethical argument is quite clearly that the procedure is a good thing since it stops the patient's mental suffering and there are no other means. In the same way, just to circle back to ABDL, it's conceivably more ethical to allow people implants/Botox to reversibly remove their continence than let them untrain themselves. The success rate for untraining is really bad, not only for ABDLers, but for anyone who doesn't use those muscles for a long time--people who are in catheters long-term absolutely prove this. Retraining is very difficult. >>555 A lot of doctors seem hesitant because it violates "do no harm". I know there's that one person who wants her spinal cord severed to be paralyzed. If I had the option of be ok with getting the nerves to my sphincters cut. Here's a chapter from my life on the 24/7 experience as told by a now 33 year old woman. I spent a year and a half diapered truly wanting the 24/7 untraining lifestyle. This was about the age of 27, living on my own working full time, and a good career in IT. I was both trying to untrain bladder & bowel, and from start to finish never cheated (taking off diapers). I stopped because of a major life change, decided to move to another country (dual citizen) and start a new chapter in my life. Really wanted to continue wearing, but I decided ultimately I'd get grounded first and start over then go back to diapers. Mentally, I feared I might not be able to quit diaper and truly thought I had gone too far. Wetting had been automatic at this point, day & night, and messing was not automatic but pretty easy to start anytime I felt the need. My genuine experience quitting was running to the bathroom very frequently every hour for about two weeks, at night time I would wake up every hour or two to use the bathroom. Daytime control was fine, I could still "hold it" to my surprise, and experienced only occasional "dribbling" when I coughed, sneezed, or finished using the potty only to realize I was still leaking a little. Zero messy accidents, and no close calls on that end. Eventually, after about the third month, my day time control and ability to hold it was about every 2-3 hours I need to pee and desperately. I can remember vividly my friends commenting that I had to go to the bathroom every movie, even when not drinking anything, and it was true I very much needed to go quite a lot. Fast forward to now, some 6 years later I look back on that part of my life and smile, it was a fun experience and I do still desire to be 24/7, but I know it's nothing to toy around with either. My decision to go back one day if I do must be a permanent thing, because I know the damage it truly did to my body. I still to this day need to go very frequently to the bathroom, I still on occasion dribble when I cough or sneeze, or laugh, and at night time I wake up every 2-3 hours a night to use the bathroom. Be weary of what you put effort into, read and believe etc. I followed the 24/7 Diaper training guide and countless others written on DD and other sites. I feel a lot of it is so unique to one persons experience or slightly fabricated. I never experienced total loss of control in that time, just more an automatic response for bladder. And I found my body was still quite capable or retraining and getting back to norm in a sense. Bowel matters never really changed, just easier to go in public or whenever I felt the need. Maybe I didn't wait long enough? who knows if I had tried another year later or something. But I can 100% assure you, that the longer you go the weaker those muscles are getting and it is very permanent from my experience. Do I regret it at all? No. Do I plan to go back to diapers? Maybe one day? I kind of enjoy being able to wear tight jeans, cute shorts, cute undies and dating is one heck of a lot easier when you don't have to explain why this potential girlfriend is in nappies. Work is a lot easier when I'm not having to constantly change because my diaper is full. And changing in public was never fun, oh the noises.. Not to mention the saved$. But I do very much miss it, and if given the perfect situation & spouse who loved the fact that their girlfriend was incontinent I'd go for it. Who knows, life is short. May one day return :)
any known ways to induce temporary/permament incontinence or bedwetting? drugs or anything idc
>>560 Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. If I ever do get to that point, I'm not averse to using a cath and bowel scheduling for short periods where diapers are inconvenient. How much were you spending per month on incontinence supplies?
>>576 Catheter draining into diaper. Be careful, it can give you a UTI though.
>>576 If you're transgender and get GRS, you might be incontinent and can not do any of the re-training exercises.
>>578 I used Tena slip actives, and abena m4s at night. Later I moved to cloth diapers at night to save more money. it was around 150-250$a month for diapers & cleaning supplies. When I first started it was about 3-4 diapers a day, later in the stages when messing was a lot more frequent it was 4-5 a day + a cloth diaper at night. Certainly not "cheap" ? but for my wage it was not a great big of an expense. Happy to answer any questions :) >>576 Just keep using the diapers, no magic tricks or magic water pills. It's a very slow descent something like these stages for my own experience. I'll write a short description as I was actively "untraining bowel and bladder" Stage 1 - Hard to pee, have to really concentrate in any position, for me standing to pee was really hard, all the years of sitting to pee made it really hard. Guys might be the opposite? Drank two very large glasses of water at night and woke up, really had to focus to pee and get over worrying about peeing the bed. Stage 2 - Getting easier to when I feel the need let go, but if i'm nervous or shy very very hard. Bed time continued the two large glasses, woke up every night to pee the bed but a lot easier to just go. Stage 3 - When not nervous or shy, it's pretty automatic response. You feel the need, you can let go immediately. you're still in control of it. Bed time control was about the same. Stage 4 - Oh crap my diaper is wet, I don't remember when I last peed, this is happening a lot. Love it. But sometimes I still feel the need to pee and let go. Shy/Nervouse stuff doesnt really happen anymore I'm so used to this. Bed time - Oh I woke up wet, I didn't wake up at night! But it's only a few times a week, often I was still waking up but super easy to pee and fall back asleep. Stage 5 - Around the 13th month mark It was automatic, I didnt think about it at all, never. Bed time was the same, I just kept sleeping and waking up wet, and was only drinking 1 glass a night or none at all. So bowel movement stage pretty much mimic from my experience a bit but I never really experienced a true incontinence in that area, just very SUDDEN urges and giving into them super easily. Kinda like this. Stage 1 - incredibly hard to poop, omg so hard. In public, impossible but I did try, just couldnt do it and the BM would happen when I got home? Stage 2 - easier to poop at home, just feel the need and let it go? Outside/Public still really nervous but if I really 'force it" it came out. Stage 3 - Pooping at home is stupid easy, I don't really think about it just let it happen as soon as I feel the need. Outside it's pretty easy now, but sometimes it's not. Stage 4 - Sudden urges.. lots of them. Like I stopped 'feeling full" and needing to poop like we're trained to do. Instead it was as soon as the urge hit I let go, and they would come very sudden. I was pooping very very frequently, maybe 2 sometimes 3 times a day. --- The oddity of it all was that (read my prior long post) when I committed to retraining to make my move back to America and start over again I really feared it would be too hard to retrain. Mentally I thought I was incontinent, I experienced so much automatic behavior. But when I stopped wearing well my body still remembered how to hold it, it was just difficult. Like re potty training to give endurance and to where I am now some 6 years later I'd say I have about 60% of control compared to what I had before I ever started diaper training years and years ago. I do wonder if I had given it another year if it would be impossible to retrain or too late. But for my experience I wasn't totally incontinent at all. But I can 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt say that if you just wear and use them and stop holding it, those muscles will weaken and my guess is eventually they will stop working? who knows. I never made it far enough to find out. One day I'll find out maybe :) For now I just enjoy wearing them on occasion again. >>580 That wouldn’t even be worth it, honestly. GRS is a disaster of a procedure. Trannies should just keep their cocks, they’re more desirable that way anyway >>582 I bet you'd have to do serious retraining. Commit to kegels and scheduling voids. Gradually going from diapers to pullups to pads. I've heard from untraining guides that as you untrain your bowels, you start having multiple smaller messes as opposed to one or two big ones every day. Babies also poop more frequently so that makes sense. Often the mess comes about an hour after each meal. Did you take internal deodorants to decrease your smell? Any times where people probably smelled a stinky diaper? Ever leak in public? I think that's a really good sign that untraining is working. I think people who aren't fully committed will subconsciously hold it if they end up peeing while their diaper might leak. think I'd do well going 24/7 because I've handled some public leaks during trial runs. >>582 I think a good way to get over worries about leaks is to use a bedpad as much as possible, especially when just starting out. Also plastic panties to catch small leaks. Perhaps go to a public but less-travelled place like a park and intentionally allow yourself to leak. >>584 Retraining was very hard, a lot of constant running to the toilet (my prior post >>560 talks a little about it). Constant getting up to use the toilet at night (still to this day), only one or two bedwetting accidents. Wore panties, had a lot of ruined panties with dribbling early days. But nothing major surprisingly. To this day If I laugh, sneeze hard, or cough hard I'll dribble a little still.. Pooping was urge and just run to the bathroom, but no messy accidents. Some stains in my panties even after heavy wiping for the first four months or so. I've always eaten pretty cleanly, but I did start taking Nullo to help with the smell, found it worked but not all the way? A major thing with wearing diapers so much is you get used to your own smells, something I found early on when my friend asked if I had babysitted because I smelled like pee. To that day I started heavy cleaning every single day, lots of hot baths and epsom salt. No issues with smell after that. And Plastic pants really do help cover the remaining scents. Leaked only a few times to count, its something that you have to get used to. And after about 6ish months I feel I was going so frequently there was never any major leaks. >>585 My bed had two mattress protectors on it at all times, and I always wore a very thick diaper at night with plastic pants. Only had a few random leaks in the early days, after I started officially bedwetting it never happened ever. >>586 Eating clean definitely seems like a good idea for the smell. During my trial runs in college I was vegetarian and almost vegan, and that combined with plastic pants cut back on smell. Vegetarianism was also good because I was regularly pooping 3x a day, which means 3x to practice and it was easy to push out, but firm so cleanup wasn't too bad. I know the nullo tablets are just chlorophyll, so a plant based diet with no fast food would probably help. I once had an experiment with an ABDL friend to see how bad my smell was to someone unaccustomed to my scent in a small room. He said it was "bad, but far from room clearing; like a mild fart" and smelled less when I wasn't changing positions, probably because the gasses were staying in my diaper and plastic panties. I once had to ride an elevator at school with a load to get to a bathroom (I would've taken the stairs but there was danger of leaking) and like 7 people got on and nobody freaked out. When I'm diapered at night I have a reusable bedpad and a plastic matress protector. >>586 Did you shave your pubic hair when your friend made that comment? Pubes hold a lot of pee smell if you don't get rid of them. It's also good to shave your whole diaper area because it's easier to clean poop off smooth skin compared to hairy skin, and that cuts back on wipes and makes changes faster. I wax my diaper area with a home wax kit with good results. Nair for bikini area also works well. >>588 I'm not hairy at all, but I did end up having a Brazilian laser downstairs (worth)That wasn't an issue ever. More just skin kept some of the smell. After salt baths more often the issue went away. >>590 What cloth diaper did you wear? >>594 babykins cloth diapers, really well made and adorably cute. Still have them to this day, they have held up all these years. >>596 I'll have to check them out. I've heard that they are essential for side sleepers. >>597 Plastic pants + thick diapers are +++ when training bedwetting. I don't have an ahem "stick" so I'm not sure if it's different for guys. And I normally sleep on my back. But early days I drank two very large glasses of water before bed, or 1 water 1 tea. I definitely needed a thick nappy or else my bed would be soaked im sure. After bedwetting started and I toned down water I could get away with my day diapers something I would do when not at home. >>598 I have one and I sleep on my side so that can lead to leaks out the side, even with a thick disposable. >>598 What were your daily-wear diapers? I know different people have different preferences. >>441 I'd recommend sizing up, using a more relaxed cut, and most importantly, trying stuff on in the fitting room to get it right. And definitely don't be afraid of women's sizes. >>602 Tena Active Slips & Abena M3s/M4s >>606 Yeah if I do 24/7 Abena L4 will probably be my go-to diaper. I just wish they had an elastic waistband. >>606 What brand plastic panties did you wear? Anyone have an embarrassing fart while 24/7? You can't hold those in either. >>608 I bought a bunch from babykins, most work the same, that and a tight fitting onesie helps keep the thickest diaper to a minimum outside. And gives you a nice butt 👌 >>610 Yes, after you get so used to going, toots come out whenever they please. Nothing I can remember from memory, but even when giving up wearing 24/7 I still have uncontrollable toots at times. Just not often. 🤷‍♀️ >>611 Didn't think of that about the onesie. I'm not really a onesie person, most of my pants fit pretty well over a diaper and my nice looking butt looks even nicer. I've never tried one though. If I go 24/7 I'll probably get a couple. They probably help keep the diaper from sagging; I just wear boxer briefs for the same purpose. Did you ever use a swim diaper? A public pool is one place I'd be hesitant to mess in, even with a swim diaper because they don't work 100%. But I have my own pool. >>612 Never tried finding one that worked, During my 1.5 year stint of 24/7 I did go to the beach with friends, and didn't wear. Would just use the ocean :x >>613 That's one way to deal with it lol. Ever get intimate with someone during that time in your life? >>614 Found a local munch when I 24/7, had a boyfriend for a few months from the group but we went our own ways. We were both at different stages in our lives and he suffered from depression heavily. Didn't end the greatest. Outside of that time, not really no. I found it hard to date outside of the local "abdl munch" scene. Most guy's don't want their future wife to be in diapers? Let alone sexual stuff, what if I leaked/messed? And It would feel dishonest to miss lead them about something I love a lot in my life. Like I said in my prior posts it's part of why i'm no longer 24/7, I figure if I end up meeting the right guy then I might go back. otherwise it was a fun chapter in my life with some consequences to boot (weaker bladder) who knows, maybe I'll need them again as I grow older because of it. But fetish/fantasy and reality often don't intertwine like we'd love them too. >>616 It might happen! I know a couple who was 24/7 for a year but had to stop solely due to financial reasons. I've read that if you're bowel incontinent and sexaully active, you're probably going to have an accident during sex at some point and you just have to clean up and deal with it. >>616 >Most guy's don't want their future wife to be in diapers? tfw no diapered wife >>619 Like I said outside the abdl scene. But you know it's kinda hard finding an abdl guy in the wild locally. And munches can be crazy. No, my thirties are a bit more tame these days haha >>620 >Kinda hard finding an ABDL guy locally It seems like there are a lot around me. But many have something off about them (besides diapers ofc) like that depressed guy. >>621 Anything is possible, who knows maybe it will happen one day :) for now I'm content enjoy a weekend diapered on occasion. Still frequent discussion threads, forums, stories etc ;) it's part of who I am and I enjoy it. That and I love giving a truthful experience which in the 24/7 discussion and less fantasy "icing" to other experiences. I didn't end up helplessly incontinent. But I only did it for 1.5 years, I did experience a loss of capacity, but who knows, maybe if my life had lead me that path for another year or two it would be truly incontinent. But I find it amazing that some people can claim to strap on diapers for months to a year and now helplessly incontinent. I just never experienced something I once believed was truthful myself. Lots of fan service fantasy in our kink circles :p >>622 I suspect that it can happen in about 3 years. 1 if you already have issues with urgency/minor leakage/bedwetting. >>623 Very probable :) >>624 Did anyone outside of ABDL learn about your diapers to your knowledge? >>625 Parents & a few close friends when I was wearing. Maybe a co-worker or two had suspicions? But they were too polite to ask and I'm sure assumed it was medical related. Told them it was bladder issues felt bad about doing so but it's a half lie no? :/ Friend took it well, and cared for me. My Parents were very concerned and wanted me to see a specialist. When I quit 24/7 I told my parents the truth, and they took it well. Just thought their daughter was a bit goofy but it never was brought up again. Still love em to death :) >>626 I wish my parents were chill with it. Do you have FetLife, Daily diapers, or discord? >>627 Discord, though i'm not posting it publicly :) i'll add one if it's shared >>631 added Is there any person here who had pre-existing incontinence who wants to worsen it, or achieve the "other type" of incontinence (#2)? I have moderate bladder incontinence for unknown reasons (but I'm sure it's real and not in the mind, as I've had it since before I was an ABDL; since when I was a kid). It means I don't have much notice when I need to pee, and I have to rush to the bathroom a lot (since I wear 24/7 now there's no need, but otherwise I would have to run); I pee around once or twice an hour, which I believed was normal until I turned around 15 and I saw the doctor on another issue, and mentioned it in passing... Will this bladder issue make it easier to untrain? I also don't want my doctor to be particularly worried I have brain cancer or suchlike, so I don't think I'll disclose I'm bowel incontinent (if I decide to pursue that). >>651 >Will this bladder issue make it easier to untrain? I think so, since it seems to be weaker than the average person’s from the start, so I’d think it’d take less work >>403 Started wearing late Feb2020 as a little celebration for other things in my life. Then Covid. Still in a diaper. From a fetish/lifestyle perspective, this has been GLORIOUS! >tfw could have been shitting myself in diapers since February >tfw could have been a sissy almost full time Who /CoronaRegret/ here? Also for anons who just started wearing 24/7 back in February, how is your control now? >>661 Same anon from >>658 My bladder control has changed but within line of what I'd expect. See, I've actually been wearing nightly (Except for travel) for years. Nighttime wetting hasn't happened during that time unless I was drunk. NOW, however, I'm waking up with a decently damp diaper, but I suspect I'm more partially waking up with the need to pee, starting, and since I'm a light sleeper anyway, that wakes me up the rest of the way. Usually I still have to pee, and it's 50/50 whether I get back to sleep afterwards. Daytime, I'm finding that "shy bladder" is still a thing, but it's been getting easier to start from any position. My sphincter is frustratingly strong, so I suspect I'll be able to hold for some time. I don't think capacity has gone down, but the perceived volume of my floods has decreased, so I wonder how much has changed. Jury's still out about whether I'll go back to underpants when I return to work. Wife and I are dancing around THAT topic... >>651 >>651 Generally preexisting bladder problems will be a big advantage for untraining. I was in an old 24/7 discord that died, and I remember that people who already had OAB, bedwetting, minor leakage, etc lost control faster and more completely. Also it's easier to untrain your bladder if you poop in your diaper as well. Clenching your anal sphincter causes your urethral spinchter to tighten as well. I've been wearing 24/7 for something like six or seven years now. I wasn't very continent before, but now I definitely can't hold anything. It was a bit of start and stop nerves before I committed, but I haven't regretted it. If you're serious about untraining, you should make bedwetting your first goal. Set an alarm to wake up two hours after you go to bed, every night. As soon as it wakes you up, stop the alarm, pee in bed without moving too much, drink a glass of water, and go back to sleep. A couple of months of this training and you will start peeing the bed. I've never met anyone who needed more than six weeks, but some people say eight to be sure. >661 >Who /CoronaRegret/ here? In the scheme of things, a few months is a drop in the bucket. Don't let the lost time dissuade you; start now, if it is what you truly want (and it may not be--wouldn't you have started now if it's what you want?). >>665 >I was in an old 24/7 discord that died, and I remember that people who already had OAB, bedwetting, minor leakage, etc lost control faster and more completely. I have minor leakage now and I have to rush to the toilet to make it--and I did used to wet the bed--so I hope that makes it easier to untrain then! >Also it's easier to untrain your bladder if you poop in your diaper as well. Clenching your anal sphincter causes your urethral spinchter to tighten as well. I see, hmm. I will have to decide whether I can handle 24/7 for messes as well as for pee, since that makes it a bit more intense. Does that mean I have to mess as soon as I feel the need, like when I pee as soon as I feel the need (in order to untrain the bladder)? In other words, to become double incontinent? That makes the whole 24/7 experience a bit more complex since I'd have to mess in public, and in other situations where it's inconvenient (parents, friends, coworkers, and so on). >>670 You don't have to. I've had the desire for years now, but every time I've tried wearing diapers, it's a letdown. Many many objections, ranging from "man, diapers are neither really practical or comfortable" to "pursuing hedonistic desire is a fool's errand" to "bro, cringe". But then those experiences don't translate into letting go of the fantasy. I'm basically stuck with this obsession that doesn't seem to serve me in any way. Has anyone experienced something like that or does anyone have an idea what the best cause of action is? Not into masochism for the record. >>680 all of those reasons are good reasons and that's why I don't do this, sure it can be nice as a fantasy, but then I jack off and it goes away so I can't imagine why you'd still pursue something like this Don't tell me this is you >>735 you should spoiler this garbage also my captcha was bab hehe >>735 We're better than this, right? >>682 If you jack off and it goes away for a while this might not be for you tbh. >>669 Interesting idea. Bedwetting has been hard for me. >>752 >this might not be for you tbh. if you mean a 24/7 lifestyle then yeah I know, I've never considered it, I'm not that dumb >>752 Tbh when I jack off it my desire gets a lot less intense, but I usually kind of want to try it still. Before long I get more interested in it again Hey, is it possible to untrain bladder and bowels totally but make it so that you shit on a schedule ie it always happens in the morning after you get out of bed or at night? Or do I just need to accept it's something that can happen anywhere, anytime? And is it still possible to use anal toys if you untrain or does it become uncomfortable? >>851 You can absolutely make yourself mess more or less on a schedule by eating healthy and at the same time every day. Many fecal incontinent people are able to poop on the toilet by keeping themselves on a schedule. Decided to buy some disposables and start wearing more commonly. Still have not yet re-committed to 24/7. But testing the water :) Does feel fun to wear again. >>88 Something quite cool about the stack of diapers hanging out on top of your clothes, as though it's just a normal part of your day, a part of getting dressed; this is way better integrated into day-to-day life than ABDLs who have entire nurseries etc. This is how a person with genuine incontinence would live, as if diapers are totally normal (which they ought to be, no point in tip-toeing around them and being ashamed IMO). Btw is that perfume next to the diapers? >>890 Yeah :) One of my favorite brands for when I'm heading to work. I keep it in the closet so it stays cool/dark and fresh :) >>891 ...what is the perfume? I used to be into perfumes and it looks like an indie brand I used to like but can't remember. Also at first I meant you stored your diapers in the dark to keep them fresh lol >>892 Wanderer Horizon. It's a pretty cheap perfume but it smells lovely and good for daily use at work then the fancy one offs :) >>890 I keep mine in the bathroom cause that's where I'm most likely to need them at home. And yeah it is neat seeing someone who is 24/7 but wearing mainly as an adult. I've been depressed for so long trying to put this fetish down. This doesn't even feel that sexual anymore, it just feels like... something I ought to be doing. I feel weird not having one on, as if I were walking around naked, or just something like that--feels weird. I'm going to go 24/7 to see if that is a way for me to resolve the tension between ordinary life and this damned ABDL thing, as the binge-purge cycles have upset me since I was 14. I do wish I was normal and not like this, but given I am, and it's unfixable, 24/7 seems like a good way for me to get over it and be able to act like a normal person, as I've been suffering mild depression over it for years. 24/7 is basically disabling since you're incontinent, with everything that entails socially, financially, etc. But I do feel I am more disabled by the psychological impact of these binge-purge cycles and the self-dislike that comes with it than by simply being incontinent. My mom has had urinary incontinence since around 40, and she has said she gets along in life fine now that she's used to it I honestly believe that for some of us we had an early life experience and developed a fixation with diapers, and to me it feels like completely a part of who I am. It doesn't feel like having a foot fetish or something like that, it feels like it's as much a part of me as my name or my voice. Like how Serah (who was a Tumblr untrainer, pretty cool chick) used to say for her diapers are non-sexual; although she finds herself more attractive wearing them, that's not because of the diaper itself but because it fits her self-image as a diaper-wearer (the same difference between being attracted to a girl's underwear itself and a girl in her underwear). Over the years I've scoured the psychological literature and tried to understand how ABDL comes about. The risk signs (overbearing mother, absent/severe father, anxious disposition) fit me but don't explain precisely how this comes about, since they are so general and ABDL is quite rare. That said there are at least 300,000 of us: they say for each subscriber on a reddit forum you have 10 lurkers without accounts, so 30,000 x 10 = 300,000. (I bet it's more than that as many ABDLs, not knowing the word for their desire, won't find any community unless it happens to come up fortuitously on Google.) So we are actually quite a major group but pushed nearly entirely underground. I often wonder whether in 10 years we'll be more out in the open; if we could be seen as disordered rather than perverted, that's still progress in my mind Anyway, if I end up going into psychology I'll try and study the origin of ABDL, both for my sake--I've wanted to understand why I'm like this for my whole life--and for advancing the status of ABDLs generally. I'm not "sex positive" or saying we should indulge in kink in a way that involves non-consenting members of the public, but people should be able to admit to this without being called a pedo. Admitting to myself I was ABDL was much much harder than admitting to myself I was bisexual. Thanks for listening and sorry for the vent, I've been having a hard time putting my feelings into words. If anything I said didn't make sense, sorry, I'll try and clarify This quarantine/shelter in place time has been so surreal. I work in the tech industry, so I've been working from home. Since March. So going back into diapers has been my way of coping, and it's allowed me to really examine this desire. I've been lurking here and on various other forums (Reddit, DailyDiapers) reading similar tales. I've found that I'm just more comfortable in diapers. I'm one of those individuals who's had this desire literally as long as I can remember. Since I was out of them, I'd wanted back in, and growing up I never understood why everything diapers and diaper-adjacent got me hard. So diapers got aaaaaall entangled in my sexuality as these desires persisted through puberty. But I'm in my 30's now, and married for 10 with a wife who is aware and neutral (leaning more on the positive side). Diapers have been a constant in my life, but I've never had such an opportunity to just... wear them ALL THE TIME. Something so simple, never been able to have more than a week or two, month on the outside, of consecutive wear. But I sit today, barring some unavoidable medical-based interruptions, back in diapers. And enjoying it to such an extant that I've begun... thinking... about continuing once all this Covid-19 BS is behind us. Because it's easy to go 24/7 when I'm just sitting around the house collecting my salary and smoking way more weed than is appropriate. I got a subscription to Tykables because it's a great deal, but no way in hell am I going back to the office with something that loud (in every definition of the word)! So who knows? I'm still using the toilet for #2, but maybe I'll start applying one of the various methods of "diaper training," to make things easier? Honestly, I'm looking at spending a large percentage of the year at home, I'm not going back to underpants during that time anyway, the thought of just making this permanent is... intriguing. So that's my answer... Lots of people using Covid to explore, it seems. >>927 I'm so jealous of (and happy for) all of the ABDLs who are moving to 24/7 at least for time during all of this. I'm similar to you in the sense that I've had a desire to wear diapers for a really long time, but sadly I was unable to take the opportunity. Reading all of you guys' talk about your diaper time recently is nice to hear though >>918 Would definitely recommend 24/7 for this. I did 3 months earlier this year, stopped after losing interest, and have only worn one diaper since Been 24/7 for about 4 months now, and starting to notice that my bowel movements are becoming much more frequent. I used to be the type of guy that went once a day or every other day. Now it's 2 to three times a day, usually early morning and an hour or so after lunch. My eating habits have not changed so what gives? Is this normal for 24/7? >>961 From what I’ve read about incontinence this is perfectly normal, and the body gets rid of the poop a lot more often and shortly after meals >>961 Yep that's a sign it's working! Instead of one big poop daily you can expect a smaller mess about an hour after each meal or large snack. >961 >962 >978 I used to believe this was just a fantasy someone started, but I can confirm it's true. A friend of mine who's a doctor said that after a meal your colon gets to work due to signals from your stomach when you eat. It's only due to potty training we go once a day, because we close our rectal sphincter and eventually the colon relaxes, until it starts pushing more mess into your rectum. It's natural to mess after each meal. I find myself going once in the morning, right after I wake up, and about 45 mins-1 hr after I have my lunch/dinner. I've always fantasized about going 24/7. I missed out on the first load of covid restrictions but am now in a position where I can try it out. I've bought several cases of ABU 4tape Bunny hops and am wearing the first one now! (Quick diaper review, love these! Great fit and hold loads. Brilliant diaper). I'm not actively untraining by following some guide or something but I'm 100% giving in to my diapers. So I'm curious to see where this goes. I'm really looking forward to see what this is like. I've never worn more than 3 diapers in a row and now I'm going to jump in the deep end and wear everyone of these. I may even top up my stash with some boring pharmacy ones if this goes really well. Can't wait to experience 24/7 for a few weeks at least. To anyone else who's on the fence, fucking do it! When else are you going to get an opportunity like this to force yourself back into diapers for a while? I'll report back in a week or so. >>1291 >I'll report back in a week or so. Can't wait to hear back, anon Hi! Actually incontinent here, I beg y'all don't do this if struggling with cash. I barely make it sometimes since I'm kinda poor ngl. The idea is kinda hot but remember, this is something that happens like, everywhere. Pissing yourself at a funeral is not fun. >>1348 I am incontinent for medical reasons too (spina bifida occulta) and the above poster is correct. It's unbelievable how much it costs to wear 24/7. >>1348 >>1371 Are cloth diapers just a meme? >>1377 Cloth is pretty good for when you're at home, but you have to deal with the hassle of cleaning them and everything (cleaning messy cloth diapers is just as unpleasant as you can imagine). I know they're fairly common on the AdultBedwetting subreddit (cleaning up just pee is pretty easy, you can clean them while you're showering. Some people actually prefer cloth because they find them more comfortable (not me though) or fitting better. It is a meme to wear cloth 24/7, the idea of wearing cloth in public is just stupid. You would have to carry around used diapers with you until you get home >>1388 I'm suprised cloth diapers aren't talked about for home use to reduce the cost of going 24/7 even if you don't have access to a washer without having to paying to use it. Initial cost would be higher than disposable diapers since you have to deal with plastic pants and prefolds. Seems like the cost of going 24/7 approaches near$2000 per year from what I read with other people's experiences.
>>1389 As you say, if you do use cloth it's still only for when you're at home. That means you're still spending a lot given you have disposables for most of the day, unless you work from home. Few people are in the position where they can financially justify wearing 24/7 but not wearing purely disposables 24/7 I think. Cloth is also less comfortable for people who didn't grow up used to them, and thus it's not something many ABDLs want I think. And yes 24/7 is expensive, even with government subsidies (which I get for being genuinely incontinent) it's a big expenditure.
>>1392 Trust me when I say wearing cloth is not an option outdoors. It's itchy, smelly, and incredibly obviously bulky compared to even the larger disposables. You also have to change way way more frequently, so get used to carrying a bigger diaper bag. Way more easy to just wear disposables. I wear disposables 90% of the time, and cloth for night time. Saves money and less of a pain.
>>432 >Tax payers didn't pay for her fetish and then all of a sudden they did. lets be real tax payers didnt pay shit, the UK, Canada, NZ AUS etc. are all running huge deficits most pre-pandemic were more than a decade off at current spending levels. (which would never hold as every Gov't spends and grows gov't more and more) you might ask why does it grow more and more, because the only way to remove deficits/existing debt is austerity measures, which means cutting most social programs for a period of time which doesn't tend to keep people elected. it so in these countries with multiple party systems you need to have a majority government and your solvency plan needs to be able to happen within a single term so 4 to 5 years in your country) but even putting that aside the pandemic BTFO'd most of those prejections and now most commonwealth countries are saying there is no current plan for solvency or decreases in spending. atleast in the past one could argue your future generations are picking up the tab, now current tax money wont even cover the interest on the existing debt let alone the future debt that has no ceiling. thats why i say everyone shouldnt mind this, if our own governments dont treat money/finances as real why should we? the Titanic's already sinking and there aren't enough lifeboats I might as well listen to the music while it plays so it's every citizen's duty to prevent any government money tax loophole etc. because they're screwing us so we screw them back because it's already too far gone to be fixed.
>>1404 Reusables at night can cut the diaper budget by 20-30%. Even more if you wear them around the house and don't go out much. I've considered saving more money by spending an hour or two just sitting on the toilet with no diaper, time permitting. It'll air out my diaper area and allow me to void without using a diaper. Similar to how many people manage fecal incontinence without diapers by sitting on the toilet until they poop. Unlike a bowel program, I wouldn't be using an enema or suppository.
Here's a diaper cost chart that's U.S centric.
>>1456 I’ve only worn like once in my adult life, but I’ve always wondered whether the ABDL diapers are the same quality as medical diapers in terms of how much they can hold, preventing leaks and just material in general. Can someone diaperpill me on whether there is a major difference?
>>1459 In general, ABDL diapers are superior in every way. There are exceptions, for example the megamax is absolutely fantastic.
>>1461 Interesting, I expected the exact opposite answer. I thought the only difference really would be the fact that ABDL diapers have prints on them. I have only worn medical diapers. I will have to get ABDL diapers one day. From pics I’ve seen they look a bit thicker too.
>>1422 >the only way to remove deficits/existing debt is austerity measures, which means cutting most social programs for a period of time which doesn't tend to keep people elected. That's not really true. All the qualified economists have been saying for years that austerity (as implemented) is utterly counterproductive. Cutting social programs just leads to even greater spending on policing and emergency medical care. You can cut those too, of course, but then businesses start moving away from your destitute, crime-ridden shithole. Of course it doesn't help that whenever a politician talks about the importance of austerity, they're simultaneously letting banks literally print money out of thin air and giving huge tax breaks to big companies. You can't reduce the government deficit with supply-side economic policies for much the same reason that you can't save a failing company by selling off all the productive assets and giving big bonuses to the directors. >if our own governments dont treat money/finances as real why should we? Now that's a more realistic view of things. I'd be far more concerned about the real energy and raw materials which are wasted when producing disposable diapers than the fake money used to pay for them.
>>1456 Thank you for posting this for two reasons: 1. The more people see this the more people will know they will save money by buying more absorbent diapers which will give cause for people to care less about discretion (except of course when it comes to stains and odors). 2. It will show the websites that hiding the ISO capacity ratings is like hiding car mileage ratings: it's a crime against the consumer. Claiming the ISO ratings just confuse people is a cop-out, when in fact they can be easily explained by comparing the max capacity to highway mileage and expected capacity to in-town mileage as the latter will always be substantially less than the former. That, and the reason the ISO ratings are the standard is because capacity is subjective depending on how well you stay hydrated. Also, the Bambino Classico (Original) and the Bambino Bianco (Original) are 4000mL. I think the Teddy is as well, but the Bellisimo is supposedly higher capacity but I don't believe that capacity was ever revealed.
I don't get the shame, at all. Nobody cares about adult diapers outside the ABDL scene. You can wear them all the time and just not become incontinent if you want. Or even make yourself a bedwetter at no cost to your waking life. I personally want to forget what potties are and why they exist. They're connected to a lot of painful memories and I just want to be totally untrained in their use. I haven't used a potty in a long time and I've been working with hypnosis to slowly permanently forget. Today I had my first experience brushing my teeth and doing my morning mess without a single thought of what a potty is supposed to do, even with it being right there. For a while now, even when pressed, I cant describe how most adults go tp the bathroom using one. I wanna put this memoir somewhere before I forget for good.
>>1659 Almost everyone is brainwashed to believe that "diapers are for babies" and "if you still need them then you're just a big shameful baby" while they're potty trained. That attitude is never unlearned, instead reinforced when people get older and learn the elderly need diapers because they're decrepit and anyone else who wears them are sick and should be avoided. That attitude problem is almost never made to go away and the discreet selling point manufacturers use also reinforce it. People need to somehow be taught there is a major difference between someone in a diaper vs. someone in a smelly and/or leaky diaper. That and someone in a prominent (but not ridiculous) diaper deserves no more attention than someone who wears glasses or is in a wheelchair. The underwearness campaign is good but then there's jerks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBwtSbM4N9w setting us back
>>1689 One of my friends is not ABDL. She had a low level spinal cord injury and can walk but is incontinent. She uses a catheter but has gotten a drug resistant bladder infection that almost killed her, and is very difficult to treat. She wishes she had kept wearing diapers like she did in the first few months after the injury.
I'm one of those going 24/7 during the quarantine. My daytime control and capacity seem unchanged, but I think I've started wetting the bed. Been waking up wetter than I'd rem,ember the past couple nights....
I do have incontinence going back to a fall when I was younger (sacrum). Quite lucky, from one pov, that I only lost continence because if I had fallen at a slightly different angle I probably could be paralyzed. Well, that happened when I was 11 and it's been 11 years now, so I've been incon for nearly 1/2 my life. Would I recommend it to every ABDL? No, I don't think many people can handle the hassle/embarrassment of it. Shitting yourself around people you know isn't great. And wearing diapers can impact your fertility. But if your ABDL desires are strong enough, it could be justified. Just make sure you can afford it--or get a diagnosis of incontinence, which will mean you can get free diapers (at least in Europe). I can give advice if anyone needs I guess. ABDL communities have been really good for helping me cope and finding practical tips about adjusting to wearing as a lifestyle and I wanna pass some of that knowledge on if I can.
>>2180 >Shitting yourself around people you know isn't great I would not mind that. :) >or get a diagnosis of incontinence Could you fake it? To get free money? Probably depends on country right >(at least in Europe). You are from eastern eu? (i am)
>>2188 >I would not mind that I mean, I would not mind if somebody sh*t himself while being around me. As long as he (or she) is wearing diaper . The smell from used diaper does not bother me either. But just farting into pants / underwear is absolutely repulsive for me. Weird that I can tolerate farting into diaper but not farting into pants.
>>2188 >I would not mind that. :) Good, because not having too much a sense of modesty about toilet stuff is a prerequisite :) >Could you fake it? To get free money? Probably depends on country right Yes. depends completely on country. Some countries will pay for "incontinence pads" ie diapers. I dont know them all. I know that Australia, new zealand, France, UK, Spain, and Nordics do. But you have to get diagnosed by a doctor. My Aussie friend told me in Aus you just get free money that you can spend on anything (but they can audit you and make sure you use it for proper purpose if they want). In other countries the health service prescribes diapers, and you get whatever brand you are given >You are from eastern eu? Western Eu. Not saying where because I don't want to be tracked >>2190 >I mean, I would not mind if somebody sh*t himself while being around me. As long as he (or she) is wearing diaper . The smell from used diaper does not bother me either. Well, I mean a lot of people are like that. Diapers are something medical so shitting into it will be excused by most people. Just my experience
>>2180 >>2180 Why don't you catheterize?
>>2180 Has the sacral nerve damage caused sexual dysfunction?
>>2180 How did you end up with that kind of damage just from falling? Was this like falling off a ladder, or tripping on the sidewalk? Do you not have any awareness over when you need to go, or just cant control it? What does that do to an 11 year old kid mentally? Sounds like it would be potentially devastating, but I hope it wasn't as bad as it might seem somehow.
>>2205 >Diapers are something medical so shitting into it will be excused by most people. Just my experience Holy wtf based
What do y'all do about diapers for exercising? I ride my bike a lot and while I can do it in a megamax it's easier if I'm wearing a pullup. Wanted to try ordering some gosupremes but they're like $1.50 each which seems like a waste for something I'll wear for maybe an hour. Are there better budget options? Should I just buy some normal cloth backed diapers? discord? >>2253 >Why don't you catheterize? Physically uncomfortable, risk of UTIs, but mainly because it's psychologically difficult, owing to a traumatic procedure which involved one I had when I was about 5. I didn't want whatever the nurse was doing so I got restrained. Catheters make me shiver now, even seeing one tbh. Doctors in general don't mind if patients manage with 'incontinence containment pads' rather than catheters, so long as you make clear it's your decision and not just because you don't know there are other options (as many patients have no idea there are options beyond just diapers) >>2265 >Has the sacral nerve damage caused sexual dysfunction? Unfortunately it has somewhat, but it's not too bad. In general I would call my sexual function "inconsistent". My girlfriend has been understanding about it. Once you've dealt with it for long enough, you work out strategies and ways and routines--for instance, using a vibrator, which has a very strong effect on me now--so it's not as bad as it was at first. >How did you end up with that kind of damage just from falling? Was this like falling off a ladder, or tripping on the sidewalk? I managed to fall while playing in the playground, but not in any spectacular way lol. Just an unlucky way. I can remember the pain being quite bad and being convinced I must have been bleeding or badly bruised, because that's how the pain felt. But there was no blood and only minor bruising, so it must have been a quite light fall. Speaking to my doctor I get the sense a lot of the people who have what I have got it from quite minor falls. People think you have to fall off a building to have incontinence, but it's not at all like that >Do you not have any awareness over when you need to go, or just cant control it? My awareness is poor, but I know how my body works so I, for instance, know roughly the time when I will go #2 (a certain time after I eat). >What does that do to an 11 year old kid mentally? Sounds like it would be potentially devastating, but I hope it wasn't as bad as it might seem somehow. Well, that's too big a subject to discuss properly here, it changed my life in some ways both large and subtle. All of a sudden I had to get used being dependent on other people, especially my family, or other institutions generally which was difficult when I was at that age when you're just becoming independent. So that took time getting comfortable with. I was going through an anti-establishment phase but needed to send a form and get approval to receive a key to use the disabled bathroom lol (they put locks on many of the new ones, because of vandalism--but I love the new ones because they have changing tables, showers, and locks which work almost 100% of the time haha). So it definitely retools how you relate to the world and authority I had the typical sadness about my state but it just passed with time. ABDL has been pretty good for me. The idea of someone wearing 24/7 voluntarily somehow makes my state (wearing involuntarily) seem better lol. And I enjoy being able to give advice and chat to other people about diapers without having to use euphemism or polite words for what is a dirty topic, or whatever. ABDLs don't treat me weirdly when I talk about incontinence (well, you get people who ask "how do I have an accident and become incontinent right now", which is annoying... if you want to become incontinent, ok, either untrain and wait some years, or see a psych and find a doctor who will operate there... or go to Thatland... but don't stick a screwdriver in your head like that guy on Adisc lol) My friends growing up supported me the whole way through and were exceedingly casual and normal about it. In that regard I'm fortunate as hell :) >>2205 >Diapers are something medical so shitting into it will be excused by most people. Just my experience >Just my experience Lmao haha. Not wrong anon Who's ever used a changing table in a public bathroom (pic related)? (Either recently or in the past.) Any experiences, thoughts, tips? >>2474 I feel like I would be to self conscious about going in there. If only there was a way to not be able to tell which bathroom people went into... >>2488 Hmm, well I don't think others typically watch for or scrutinize the bathrooms others use. But, yes, if you were around friends or whatever, and they went into the normal toilets, and you went instead into a toilet marked 'disabled', or even worse, 'change table', etc, you would lose a bit of privacy; they would know something's up. But you would also lose privacy if you changed in a cubicle, because the tapes can be noisy. I was self-conscious about them at first, yeah, but after a few tries I started to feel more normal about it, to the extent that, on the occasions when the door's locked, I've asked the nearby reception or whatever for the key without shame or whatever. If you act normal, others will act normal. Pic related is an accessible toilet at a football stadium in Australia, with slightly unusual semi-transparent door. I have used this when I visited. (Not sure how visible one are from the outside... but it was an unusual experience.) >If only there was a way to not be able to tell which bathroom people went into... What do you mean? >>2457 >using a vibrator Where do you put it? >>2525 >Where do you put it? Uh, where do you think...? >>2562 Either the tip of the penis or in the butt to stimulate the prostate. >>2562 How much do you spend on diapers per month? >>2474 I use them all the time. >>2565 My prostate feels weird for some reason, it's a nice but a too 'rich' sensation if that makes sense. And it can be a bit awkward to do if one has bowel incontinence, in truth... I find the penis head much too sensitive to use the vibrator on. The underside and bottom of the shaft for me is a distinct sensation to the other parts of my penis; that's what I do most of the time. >>2566$200. As the incontinence I have is untreatable, I receive a pension which covers much of the cost (but not that of wipes, lotions, etc). I could save a lot if I wore cloth while I was at home (that's what the anons here should do).
>>2567 Do you take any tablets to decrease the smell of your poop? How many times a day do you poop?
Hi everyone. Been reading through and thought I'd share my experiences with un-training myself. I've tried to go 24/7 before around 3 years ago but stopped after 2 months as my supply of diapers dried up and they became difficult and expensive to obtain. Since the beginning of December I have been 24/7 and only used the toilet to poop. The first few weeks were difficult and the bladder spasms were debilitating at times. Waking up in the middle of the night was common and leaking was a major issue as well as flooding was common for me due to the size of my bladder at that point. The second month was better but I still found myself clamping off immediately as I needed to void. I still battle somewhat with this but it is getting better as I am nearing 13 weeks diapered. If anyone says that wearing diapers means no more public restrooms, they are either a fucking liar or have never gone 24/7 before. I have found myself in a stall changing upright more times than I care to count. You get rather blasé after a while and walking out with a used diaper in a bag to throw in the trash afterward is not difficult for me anymore. I have found that sitting down makes it difficult to pee sitting sometimes. Usually I go for a walk when I am at the office and let go. Urinating is still a conscious decision most of the time but I am starting to have accidents as well and sometimes find myself peeing suddenly with little warning (was in the grocery store getting sushi when I lost it looking at the fashion sandwiches lol). I don't really know if I am peeing at night as I don't really wake anymore and 95% of the time I am wet anyway. I should try put on a new diaper before bed and see what it looks like in the morning I guess. I use 1 or sometimes 2 diapers a day depending on how much I have had to drink in the day and how hot it is. I pee less in hot weather. At this point I flood very little, I attribute this to the fact that I have been trying very hard to let go as soon as I feel the need to pee and been practicing reverse kegels whenever I am bored. I have noticed a huge difference in the quantity of pee when I go, I suspect my bladder has shrunk a fair amount. I spend around 540 ZAR a month for 48 diapers which usually is enough. Every change still gives me chills down my spine in a good way and I have no regrets in doing what I am doing. My wife supports me and my journey. One thing I must warn, I don't know if this will happen for everyone but its definitely happening to me. I am finding that my erections are weaker and its harder to achieve orgasm without my wife, pretty much the only thing I can do to cum is use my e-stim. Morning glory's are a thing of the past and stopped completely for me around the 9 week mark. TLDR version: At the point I am at now I think I have fucked up my control enough that I will probably have an accident without diapers, so I am in it for the long haul. No-body who knows me knows or if they do they have been to polite to say anything. Thanks for reading, if you guys have any questions that I may not have spoken about here then fire away. If you would like me to post when I am further along, shout.
>>2689 Don't know that I've seen many south african abdls, whats the diaper supply situation like there? >You get rather blasé after a while You're absolutely right in that stuff just gets easier with practice. Anyone nervous about committing to 24/7 should atleast wear in public for a while to see how easy it is
>>2694 Agreed, most people don't care nor notice. As long as it's tied up in a grocery bag.
There are a variety of Chinese brands that people have brought in themselves but most of them are crap. Also with the covid-19 pandemic, imports of plastic pants and cloth diapers from China that I used to get are nearly 100% more expensive than the products themselves so I cant get those anymore realistically (2500ZAR for a all in one that costs 300ZAR). Fortunately an enterprising young lady on Fetlife from SA seems to want to make onesies, diapers and stuff so maybe I will get some stuff from her when she gets going. Grocery stores like Checkers and Pick n Pay tried to stock adult diapers at one point a few years ago but other than Tena pads and pullups Checkers don't really have much anymore and Pick n Pay only have baby stuff so they useless to me. Specialty pharmacy's like Springbok stock a local brand named Clemens at 175 ZAR for 14, then your euro at around 300 ZAR for 14 Tena's and 450 ZAR for Molicare. Chain pharmacy's like Dischem have made their own which I haven tried before but look cheap and nasty. I use ones made by Clicks which do the job well and are realistically priced. Also cloth backed is the norm here, plastic backed diapers all but disappeared around 2 years ago. I think some of the Chinese oddities might be plastic backed but I haven't cared to try them again so I am not sure. Seeing as South Africa is the asshole of the world, most of the ABDL places don't import here and ones that do charge nearly the same amount as the product or more then you still have to pay duty on it. So for example to land some Rearz Safari it is nearly 2000 ZAR for 12 which is outrageous. I'm probably going to wait until I go to America on holiday and buy direct.
Anyone switch to breathables during the summer?
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https://www.dailydiapers.com/board/index.php?/topic/77740-i-faked-psychosis-to-be-put-in-a-mental-hospital/#comments >i have one big question, goerge, did you really believe you had a microchip in your armpit?
>>3145 Well, that thread was an utter clusterfuck of retarded replies to retarded posts.
>>3145 i always knew there were crazies on that forum, now there's proof
>>3145 this guy is fucked in the head, if true he belongs in that group home.
>>3145 >used nappy hoard He’s right where he needs to be now
>>3145 Kek at all the boomers laughing at him.
>goerge did he... misspell his own name? christ
>>2457 >but don't stick a screwdriver in your head like that guy on Adisc I know this was months ago but wut? That's a real thing that happened? Anyone have details?
>>2457 >My friends growing up supported me the whole way through and were exceedingly casual and normal about it. In that regard I'm fortunate as hell :) Thats good to hear. The idea of someone having all their friends turn on them over something so unavoidable would leave a bad taste in my mouth. >I managed to fall while playing in the playground, but not in any spectacular way lol. Just an unlucky way. I'm sure that you probably looked at a LOT of different options back then, but have you ever seen a chiropractor? While a lot of them I'm sure are not actually doing anything scientific, there are some who actually know what they are doing. The principal is sound; the "origin story" for chiropractic involves a guy who lifted a heavy box in a weird way. There was a loud pop in his back, and he was instantly deaf. He remained deaf for years, but was otherwise unaffected. several years later, some dude hears about this story, goes to see the deaf guy, determines that one of his vertebrae was misaligned in a really specific way that caused it to press on a particular nerve in *just* the wrong way. He had the guy lay down on a table, then applied a moderate amount of force in order to persuade the vertebrae to move back into the position it should have been. There was a loud pop, and the guy could suddenly hear again perfectly well. It was a one time thing, and he never had an issue with it again.

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