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/co/ related Pain Thread 2: The Starfox Cometh Anonymous 10/25/2021 (Mon) 16:59:52 No. 18884
Another miscellaneous thread for all things /co/ related that make you cringe, groan, or furious.
>>21775 No, it's worse than that. That Fantastic Four movie suffered from time and budget constraints. Movies are expensive. Comics aren't. They could hire good creators for the same price as the awful ones they have. Maybe not the big famous ones, but there are plenty of eager fans out there, instead of the people they hired, only eager to destroy a genre and medium they see as representing the ridiculous conspiracy theory known as "the patriarchy." Now, Captain Marvel does continue being published to hold on to the rights (the trademark in particular), but there is no reason it needs to be so bad, except that it is bad on purpose because the industry has been taken over by people who hate it and seek only to destroy it. So no, this is all much worse than the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie, which at least has an excuse.
>>21787 >there are plenty of eager fans out there Wasn't that part of the problem with certain manchild fanboys like Geoff Johns the Cereal Lord sneaking into the industry and promptly tug-of-warring with each other over the toys when they wank the favorites they grew up with?
>>21789 While I do think that lead to problems (over-reliance on continuity leading to things being incomprehensible for new readers), I love most of Johns's work, and I don't think you're trying to imply that he and the era when he was writing more and had more control is somehow anywhere near as bad as what we have now.
>>21769 >EVIL Heroes Looks chuckle-worthy at the very least, with dup getting btfo and all. A storytime could be enjoyable.
>>20197 Writers need to be killed, actor needs to not have work, CGI fags need so be skinned.
>>20721 >>20759 3 million 4 million 5 million 6 gorillion?!
>>21790 > I don't think you're trying to imply that he and the era when he was writing more and had more control is somehow anywhere near as bad as what we have now. Definitely not. I'll take guys who are autistic but earnest like the Wolverine fanboys of old than the busybodies who are only there to use characters like Superman as their platforms for boring idpol bullshit that you must love else you're a bigot or destroy the characters trying (because they know that standalone diversity characters pretty much never catch-on save for rarities like Spider-Nig or Ms. Muslim). I've just heard it often mentioned that these sorts of "superfan" writers were part of the reason SJW types were able to get a foothold anyway; making shit so complex that "fresh start" nukes like New 52 and Secret Wars 3 were in play at the same time the leftist shit was taking the West by storm. Not to mention the idea of letting them in as part of the "making capeshit more mature so it's not embarrassing to be an adult fan" insecurity. But maybe it's two different problems I'm conflating.
>>21808 >implying Ms. Muslim "took off" with audiences at all Just because she has been pushed hard, even in a video game, doesn't mean audiences like her. That game was a disaster, and the main character being some Affirmative Action cunt that you're forced to like, instead of the actual characters from the biggest film franchise of all time, probably had a lot to do with that. >I've just heard it often mentioned that these sorts of "superfan" writers were part of the reason SJW types were able to get a foothold anyway; making shit so complex that "fresh start" nukes like New 52 and Secret Wars 3 were in play at the same time the leftist shit was taking the West by storm. Not to mention the idea of letting them in as part of the "making capeshit more mature so it's not embarrassing to be an adult fan" insecurity. Maybe, but these things have all been building since the '60s at least. As soon as DC invented the Multiverse so neckbeards in 1963 could say Jay Garrick was still canon, the nerdiness and autism has been steadily increasing. And frankly, that's a big part about what I love about capeshit comics. But it's been building for over 50 years, and yeah, at a certain point it went too far (I'd argue the late '80s), but I could hardly blame the people who happened to be at the wheel when the SJWs happened to invade. I mean sort of, yeah, but they were at the wheel of an industry that was already practically dead for many reasons, most of which were business and not art related. Of course it was easy to take over. Ooh, you took over an industry that reaches 100,000 people on a good month, if you're lucky. Good job. Of course they did it purely for the symbolic value. But it hardly matters. "Canon" isn't truly passed down by editorial. The real canon is in our hearts. It's in the minds of the people who remember. And nobody will remember these stories except to make fun of the clickbait. People will always know that Superman stands for Truth, Justice, and The American Way, and if you tell them DC made Superman gay, they might not articulate it, but they know that that isn't the real Superman. And I don't mean it's not Clark Kent. I mean it isn't the character that exists as part of our wider culture. Superman does not live on the page, he lives in our heats.
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>>21809 >Ms. Muslim <not "Muz Marvel"
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>>21806 >CGI fags need so be skinned. You can't blame the drones in modelling suite sector 7G. They just do what they're told to do. >"Why do they want us to make a bouncing ape that looks like it escaped from a burn ward?" >"Kid, just make the ape, take their money, and buy enough booze to try and forget today ever happened."
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Leaked look at Thor's Love & Thunder look. I like it. Shame it's the MCU & lumped in with Jane Thorster.
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>>21812 The realization on Scout's face is what sells it for me. >>21834 >Jane Thorster Oh, that's gonna be bad.
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>>21844 Also Valkween. I guarantee there will be lesbian jokes with Jane.
>>20217 >>20223 >>20225 >This is gonna flop just like Onward did. Good news, Turning Red is official dead. https://archive.is/5u2Sd
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>>21237 > until you watch Captain Kirk seduce a married woman and an underaged girl, while driving guys in Klan sheets from house to house to burn crosses. Any webms?
>>21854 I tried but the best scene I could find was something like 20mb. However... I found the entire movie for free on jewtube if you want to see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUuTJW269M
>>21834 They had a reasonable helmet in the first film and didn't use it.
>>21856 It's not like it even obscured his face either. Just a case of being embarrassed to make a comic book movie. But it's okay now because Jane Thorster wears a helmet. That means they're no longer silly. Well unless a MAN wears one!
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>>21867 The thought of Natalie Portman looking exactly like Natalie Portman in Thor armor makes my oatmeal hit the wall
>>21775 >>21787 Had they been going for a live-action syndicated series and used the movie as a made-for-TV movie pilot. As a show, it would have probably have gotten half to a whole season, if it were good. Because pretty much all the networks were out to have their Xena, Hercules, and Lois and Clark. Which was the reason behind that 1998 Nick Fury... thing. >> 21805 It's odd with the obvious message. But it makes for good toilet and/or mandatory lock down reading.
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The multiverse was a mistake. It's bad enough mainline comics can't get to a damn point with linear storytelling but now we get endless alternate realities on top of that that just leads to really stupid reimaginings of existing characters. Why even call it the Gwen-verse when they renamed her Ghost Spider? Inconsistency thy name is Marvel!
>>22158 What the fuck? Are they seriously trying to milk Spiderverse still with a Gwen-verse where Gwen is everyone? Venomverse wasn't enough? >Why even call it the Gwen-verse when they renamed her Ghost Spider? Well, to be fair to them, the majority of people still know her primarily as Spider-Gwen, and was known in her original world as Spider-Girl. Ghost-Spider was just to have an in-universe descriptor when they (predictably) brought her into the mainline where there was already a Spider-Girl.
>>22199 The premise of the mini series involves Ghost Spider teaming up with Thor Gwen against Captain America Gwen. So yes. Spider-verse nonsense.
>>22158 The multiverse was fine for decades. SJWs were a mistake.
>>22203 It was always going to be a mess the longer it went on. Also Frank is a faggot.
>>22213 I'm the guy you were disagreeing with and even I can't imagine why your previous post was deleted. This is goddamn ridiculous.
>>22158 >Gwenverine You'd think this faggot would be able to move on from his crush on Heather Antos, but NOOOOOOOOOO...
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>>22248 >I'm the guy you were disagreeing with and even I can't imagine why your previous post was deleted. Frank's free bleeding again.
>>22259 I'm sure that faggot who posted himself spread eagle showing off his hairy asshole on twitter will totally get the jewdyke this time.
>>22259 >third pic I'm getting real tired on these hacks putting in their blatant self inserts, this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed the original run of Gwenpool too.
>>22272 >this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed the original run of Gwenpool too. Okay, I need to know: what in the hell was so charming about that series? Because Spider-Gwen, Gwenpool, Gwenverine, and probably Captain Gwenmerica just seem cancerous as hell to me. What is so epic about mashing Spidey's dead ex into other heroes? And why Gwen Stacy? Are there no other exes we can use? Is it not time for Wyatt Wingfoot to become the next She-Hulk?
>>22338 >Gwen Stacy Isn't she just some rando literally named "Gwen Poole" and that's the punchline for the whole series? I remember an actual Deadpool comic where he's talking down to her and says something like "I bet 90% of the people reading this think you're supposed to be Gwen Stacy" or something to that effect.
>>22343 Correct. I recall she's a a cosplayer from are reality who got isekaied into the marvel universe.
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>>22343 >Isn't she just some rando literally named "Gwen Poole" and that's the punchline for the whole series? Right. She has nothing to do with the Antos Gwen Stacy in the slightest.
>>22338 >And why Gwen Stacy? It's because of "women in refrigerators." Despite the name, nobody cares about Alex DeWitt, but Gwen Stacy is the prime example of a character that dies and then serves as motivation for the hero. Feminists say this is sexist against women, even though it happens more often to male characters, like Uncle Ben, Pa Kent, and Jason Todd, but we'll just ignore that. They also ignore that the reason they are even more aware of instances of female characters is because women get automatic sympathy, so their deaths are more effective because the readers are expected to care more, and the fact that the feminists pick the term "women in refrigerators" and not "Uncles and bullets," "Adoptive fathers and heart attacks," or "Robins and crowbars" is precisely because they do have more sympathy for women and care more when they are the ones used as a plot device. So if they were correct that the trope existed, which they are not, then it would be sexist against men in favor of women, just like they are. But there is no pleasing them anyway, so even though their bigoted myopia makes them see a trend that isn't there, and the trend actually aligns with their values, they still get mad anyway. So since they're mad they have to subvert it. They think they're sticking it to the ridiculous conspiracy theory they call "the patriarchy" by taking and ruining one of the most effective plot elements in long running comic book history, that being Gwen's death. They have to show that she's actually a stryng, yndypyndynt wymyn that don't need no m*n. And they all think it's so fucking "funny," because SJWs don't understand what comedy, or art in general, actually is. They don't believe it exists. They are told the personal is political, that everything has a message. Sure, you can interpret a message in anything. But they take it so far that they do not even attempt to actually make art, because if everything has a message, they take that to mean that nothing is art and everything is propaganda. Or rather, they would phrase it as there not being propaganda, because everything is art. As you've probably noticed in your interactions with them, subtlety and nuance are not their strong suits. So they don't laugh at their "comedy," they clap at it, because they don't seek humor, they seek reinforcement. So they all pretend to laugh and love shit like Gwenpool and the rest, but they don't actually get enjoyment from the art, because it was never made with the art in mind. It was made to be propaganda, and they simply enjoy seeing propaganda with which they agree. >>22343 That wouldn't really matter. She is still effectively a multiversal doppelganger. In the Ultimate Universe Doctor Doom isn't Victor von Doom, but Victor van Damme. They're still the same guy. Ultraman is still a version of Superman even though he has a different name, origin, and source of power. Superwoman is Lois Lane but she is also still Wonder Woman. Gwenpool is still a version of Gwen even if her specific story is different, partially because she's really a takeoff of Spider-Gwen more directly than the actual Gwen Stacy. And that doesn't just have importance in-universe, it has importance to the authors, because they still feel they are fundamentally sticking to the evil "patriarchy" that would date have anything negative happen to a fictional female (the same as happens to many fictional males, but we'll ignore that).


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