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>live-action Avatar show Anonymous 06/11/2020 (Thu) 02:29:14 No. 1807
https://comicbook.com/anime/news/avatar-the-last-airbender-cabbage-man-live-action/ >Of course, fans would love to see Sie return as the character. The unassuming merchant became one of the best running gags of Avatar, and he is still talked about today. The Cabbage Merchant appears through the show with his stand of produce which always gets smushed by the Avatar and Company. The character, which was meant to be part of a one-off joke, became its own role after fans of Avatar championed the ill-fated merchant. How bad do you think the show will be? Legend of Korra bad? Even worse?
>>1807 Of course it'll be utter trash. Animated productions turned live action rarely ever work.
>>1807 >How bad do you think the show will be. Worse than pic related's attempt
>>1810 Was the movie even that bad compared with everything else in Avatar after the first two Books
>>1812 Not really, Everyone likes to bring up the scene where ten earthbenders are needed too toss a basketball sized rock at a fire nation soldier. Other than that, the actors for the main cast are all kind of wooden, particularly Sokka who comes of less like a competent comic relief and more like Anakin Skywalker, particularly in his interaction with the Princess at the Northern Water tribe, you almost expect his actor to break out into how he hates snow, its cold and wet, and it gets everywhere. The Indian Fire Nation didn't bother me as much as it did other people even though I've always though of the Fire nation as being Japanese inspired The infamy of this movie is mostly due to critics and Avatar fans harping on it, that and Shymalan being fresh off of some flops like Lady in the Water, so it was an easy target. Korra season two is easily worse than M. Night's film
>>1812 The original series is great. Korra is unwatchable. The movie is basically the Ember Island play.
https://twitter.com/ThisisJCGreen/status/1268007502911766528 https://twitter.com/InvernoLyra/status/1268251003280859138 https://twitter.com/MegaMilkshakes/status/1268079677844803584 Well there's no doubt that Legend of Korra is Avatar's Last Jedi now. That Avatar's Chronicle book which came out last year shows it. Some of the posts in the thread point out that a continuation of the franchise is impossible unless someone contrives another way for future Avatars to speak with past lives. It attacked Aang. It remade spirits into a cross between Mons and Princess Mononoke's forest denizens. And now the Avatar as was shown in TLA is gone.
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>>2167 Use archive.md next time ya shilling faggot.
https://archive.vn/nFAW2 >Avatar: The Last Airbender Picked the Wrong Romance Zutarans.
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>>1829 Shut the fuck up you goddamn pseud. >>1812 It's just horribly bland. Also, Book 3 wasn't completely shit.
>>2169 >"ya" Fuck right off, normalfag. >>2167 Stop using twitter, you fucking normalfag. Post the proof instead of some fucking faggots fuck you.
>>2295 >It's just horribly bland. Also, Book 3 wasn't completely shit. Nah it was. The Red Lotus alone were bleh since they were the dark 'n edgy counterparts of the White Lotus who fought for muh chaos and their leader got flight despite no other airbender showing this was possible. To say nothing of how it forced in Suyin and ruined Toph, made Korra act like a noble getting indignant at the peasants complaining about Republic City's invasion by spirits.
>>2295 >>2304 I think one of you is talking about book 3 of the original trilogy while the other misunderstood and assumed he was talking about book 3 of korra.
>>2306 Yeah, I >>2295 was talking about the original A:TLA, not Korra, which I haven't even completed.
TLA>>>>Movie>>>>>>>>>>>Rest Is Shit
>>3186 What about the vidya gayms?
>>3187 Games? I only know of the platinum one and that's mediocre at best
>>3187 Don't matter. >>3188 The Platinum game had the Equalists show up to be pawns of a bender again. And also Jinora there with no Asami.
>>3188 There were three games for the original cartoon (To correspond with the three seasons), and the one for the movie.
>>3187 The two I played (still haven't played the third one) were fun, though I preferred the first one. Definitely not canon, though.
http://archive.vn/iN3JV >According to sources close to WGTC – the same ones who told us a Witcher prequel and an Extraction sequel were in the works well before Netflix officially announced them – the streaming giant’s live-action adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender will reportedly make some big changes to the original story. These include, but will not be limited to, the introduction of new characters and subplots.
>>3661 Hope everyone's ready for the India Nation & African Nation.
>>3662 I was thinking it meant we'd see junk from the comics and of course LoK. As in dark spirits, abducted actress Ursa, efc
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>>3661 Post your guesses here folks: >New diversity subplot (Which was already in the original but written well enough to be entertaining) >Sokka's early sexism is more extreme and other characters call him out on it long after he learned his lesson >New interracial couple because all netflix shows have them
>>3665 My guess is that they will make Katara and Toph lesbians.
>>3666 But they both have biological children.
>>3667 Something something different universe. For all intents & purposes, Netflix will let the creators do whatever they want with this new show because of all sorts of bullshit excuses. They don't care about adapting things accurately.
Was The Dragon Prince any good or is all the magic behind TLA dead? >>3661 They're gonna implement that shit from Turf Wars where the fire nation becomes the anti-gay nation while most previous avatars were totally gay like Kyoshi.
>>3669 >Was The Dragon Prince any good No. Terrible low framerate 3D animation in a dumb fantasy world story about racism.
>>3669 >fire nation But not the Airbenders even though Tibetan Buddhism has no support for homosexuals.
>>3671 I'm pretty sure they wrote some shit about how the air benders were all tolerant and man could love man just like how woman could love woman But that comic was such shit anyways so maybe it's non-canon.
>>3672 Hold up, that doesn't make any sense in the context of the show, itself. While Aang was meditating on the lion-turtle and talking to the previous avatars, the previous airbending avatar confronted him with the reality that his existence as the avatar comes directly at odds with the air-nomad's teachings. That while airbenders spend their entire lives meditating and teach about how to rise above and disconnect themselves from the world, Aang's purpose as the avatar comes directly at odds with these teachings because his duty is to serve the world.
It also doesn't make sense that an entire planet that was previously completely OK with the gay and then suddenly one guy decided that queering doesn't make the world work. Effectively, according to the dumb comics, Sozin invented homophobia from scratch out of nowhere. Where did he come up with the idea from? Why did he come up with it? Was he molested and banning faggotry was his revenge?
>>3675 >Where did he come up with the idea from? Why did he come up with it? Was he molested and banning faggotry was his revenge? Perhaps Sozin and Roku were butt-buddies, and, since Sozin could express his love for Roku (After he killed him), then no one could.
You think the FN would be okay with situational manonman since they're Sorta Japan.
>>3675 Bryke doesn't know what the fuck they're doing anymore and Turf Wars was only written to justify the hamfisted insertion of the Korra/Asami relationship into the last episode, that it's entire purpose.
>>3707 They just wanted to force in a parable against "homophobia" like how the spirits were used to force in an anti-segregation/pro-immigration stance.
So why did they fuck Amon so hard and was it intentional?
>>3743 Because they introduced a clever concept like the Equalists, show their motivation may have a point bending gangs in republic city, arrogant benders like Korra then show their hypocrisy them being funded by the richest man in the city, firebenders using dangerous lightning bending to power the city But that's not good enough, to really prove their hypocrisy have Amon not be a god tier chi blocker or spirit bender, have him just be some water bender with hax bloodbending. Then, after he gets killed off, never mention the Equalists again, because despite having the power to take and occupy a New York analogue city, they can't survive having their leader die. You don't have Equalist remnants pulling a Zeon popping up throughout the series insisting that the Amon bloodbender story is just government propaganda and still carrying out attacks. No, we need to move on to season two with the Raava/Vatuu Dark Avatar shitting on all the pre-established lore. tl;dr, the Equalists were an interesting concept, but without good writers the premise was squandered.
>>3662 Whelp, the sand earthbenders are already based on arabs, so I think it would kinda fit.
>>3758 But that's the thing, based on. You can see that the Fire nation draws inspiration from Japan and the Earth Kingdom from China, but they aren't explicitly stated to be the Japan and China analogues. Hell, M Night decided to make the Fire Nation Indian inspired. In The Last Airbender, only characters like Guru Patik had obvious inspirations (In this case an Indian guru, if his accent and constant going on about Chakras are anything to go off of.) It was only with Turf Wars and the artist Irene Koh deciding to include real world racial and ethnic stand ins. including hijabis, in a world where Islam or any other religion for that matter doesn't exist.
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>>3764 >but they aren't explicitly stated to be the Japan and China analogues I don't think so, the earth kingdom is a vast country with different cultures, peoples and types of government, there isn't a centralized government just like China during warlord era. The Fire nation is a centralized country with an absolute monarchy in power located in a volcanic archipelago quite similar to Japan before WWII, and also Japan invaded China just like the fire nation invaded the earth kingdom.
>>3751 They (Equalists) were never good. They were always just an attempt to force in a Commie/Klansman analogue crossed with X-Men villains into Avatar's setting. >>3771 The OG FN was a cross between Showa Japan, Tang China, and the PRC. The comics might've made them more obviously Japanese what with the ninjas but that's the comics.
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>And who knows? Netflix’s live-action adaptation of Avatar has the potential to be good. It might turn out to be a show many of you end up enjoying. But what I can be certain about is that whatever version ends up on-screen, it will not be what Bryan and I had envisioned or intended to make. One can only ask what Netflix's suits demanded if cucks like Bryke had to run off.
>>3777 (LUCKY TRIPS) It's pretty hilarious. There's zero... no... NEGATIVE hope for this show if even the cucks that created Legend of Korra think it's bad enough to distance themselves from it.
>>3778 Or, it could have been the reverse and they wanted to make the show even more pozzed (In order to "fix things" now that they can) and Netflix told them to fuck off. But, highly unlikely that's the case.
>>3779 It's Netflix. You know that's not the case.
>>3777 >Tweet your reply Please tell me that's not your cellphone.
>>3780 I don't know how Netflix works for live action series but in animation they don't do a shit, they only buy cartoons from animation studios they are just tangentially involved in the production by giving suggestions and stuff like that, if it was like in animation, so they won't participate in the production either.
>>3782 Except this isn't animation. It's live action. The fact that almost everything live action listed as a "Netflix Original" has woke garbage in it should tip you off there's a pattern of relation here.
>>3783 Everything Bryke worked on after TLA has gotten woker and woker. Korra even being a thing is a sign of this when you look up the story behind her creation.
>>3784 Yes. That's not being disputed. This should tell you that it was too much of a woke butchering even for Bryke.
>>3783 That's why I'm asking, do they actually get involved in the production of live action content or they don't do anything like with animation? What's the film studio that is producing it? Or does Netflix actually have its own studio (Something that I doubt but still is a posbility)?
So Bryce apparently quit partly because Netflix wanted to cast white people. Also the show is going to be a shitty GoT knock off with excessive violence and sex. Who exactly is this show for?
>>3870 The mainstream who have never seen Avatar but know about it through twitter.
>>3870 > a shitty GoT knock off with excessive violence and sex I'm genuinely curious if this is actually the case. Imagine if it was animated and then every episode has HOT SWEATY DELICIOUS BROWN TITTIES courtesy of Katara. As it is now I know what kind of unattractive fuck they'll cast.
>>3871 Let me guess, they think Korra is better, something something whiteness, Azula was totally the hero of the story and Zutara?
>>3870 >Brian and Mike quit that's good >the show is going to be a shitty GoT knock off with excessive violence and sex That's bad
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>>3870 > Also the show is going to be a shitty GoT knock off with excessive violence and sex. Do you have sauce for such a hot clam? If so, what the fuck were they thinking?
>>3870 Last I checked those are just rumors with no genuine evidence, I doubt they'll actually do that. If they do I'll sell my PC and other valuables, then leave the city to live as a farmer or a hermit
>>3908 No you won't, you'll stick around and have the heartiest laugh alongside the rest of the anons and then forget about the entire thing like it never happened.
>>3912 This, basically what the Weebs did when Death Note 2017 came out. They laughed at it and then forgot about it.
>>3751 Bending bring hereditary instead of something anyone can learn with skill is bad >But then why wouldn’t everyone do it Difficulty, it would be something that soldiers would be required to learn, but not civilians. What should be hereditary is what kind of bending you can do so that the avatar can still matter
>>3870 >Netflix wanted to cast white people So they can get fucked by niggers probably
>>3922 You already had a pair of twins with one a bender and the other not.
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>>3922 >skill is hard to learn >but easy enough to learn an army of soldiers can exist
>>3922 Nigger it's literally hereditary. If everyone could bend no problem if they just try really really hard there would be no point to the Avatar.
>>3983 I thought it was implied that it was a combination between culture, spiritual devotion, and practice?
>>3984 No. Never was. It's literally a genetic thing. Even Korra didn't fuck with this. Why's Amon a bloodbender? Because his father was a bloodbender.
>>3986 Then where did Toph's metal bending come from?
>>3987 It's an offshoot of earth bending. Just like magma bending.
>>3987 Metal bending is just bending the small imperfections of earth, inside metals. Pure metals, could not be metal bended by her. More importantly, all of her children and grandchildren were master metal benders.
>>3992 >More importantly, all of her children and grandchildren were master metal benders. That could be explained by the fact that she taught them the secret.
>>3993 Yes but it doesn't mean every earth bender can be a metal bender.
Does no one want to address that bending boils down to controlling the three states of matter (Air is bending gasses, water is bending liquids, and earth is bending solids) and energy (Fire)?
>>3995 >and energy (Fire)? Plasma actually. Both fire and lightning are forms of plasma.
Does no one want to address the applications of bloodbending to a dick? Because the netflix show might.
>>3999 I’m more concerned they’ll explore that offhand joke Brian and Mike made where they said Aang had Airbender tattoos on his dick.
>>3980 The Earth Kingdom had proportionately the fewest benders yet one of (if not the biggest) the largest populations from its attitude to spirituality. >>3983 First off, in TLA (noting this since LoK and the comics altered the Avatar's place in the setting into more of a dictator/vigilante) the Avatar isn't just the #1 Bender. Accepting the given backstory in Nick's old site the Avatar is the world itself in one body. 4 Nations, man and woman, each element. The Avatar's bending may be an extension of representing the world and its order, not having super bender blood or whatever. 2ndly, we're shown an identical twin in TLA who has no bending yet the other twin does. >>3986 If it was all "genetic" then the Air Nomads wouldn't be singled out for their spiritual practices making them all be benders. >Korra Show me where bloodbending worked how it does in Korra in TLA. LoK violated the rules of bloodbending (Amon not needing a moon) and Amon pulled stunts with it (see him having practical telekinesis) Hanna never showed despite her being far more experienced. >>3988 Show any lavabenders in TLA who weren't an Avatar. >>3992 You're ignoring how Toph's metalbending was an extention of her disability. Meaning it's silly that metalbending can spread to the point nameless cops can do it.
>>4024 >Meaning it's silly that metalbending can spread to the point nameless cops can do it. Just like how nameless, poor factory workers can lightning bend for multiple hour long shifts daily. Like everything else disagreeable about Korra I assumed they thought it looked cool and didn't put much else thought into it.
>>3995 Except that waterbenders can bend steam and ice, and earthbenders can't do shit against pure metal, despite it being solid.
>>4024 Being the literal avatar of the earth's spirit just goes to show you further that bending all four elements is something unique & special. No one else can do it. There's no proof all the air nomads could bend. Sozin killed them because he knew the next Avatar would be an airbender. Yes Amon breaking bloodbending rules is an issue. Korra defies a lot of rules & established lore. Lavabending didn't exist till LoK.
>>3666 >>3667 They're not lesbians, they're just bisexual teenagers who need some time to explore their sexuality before settling down with a man. They're probably going to kiss, have a quick romance and then realize it's not going to work out and then we get the Korra continuity. >>3669 It had potential despite its shitty animation. The characters were already more likeable within the first 5 minutes than anyone in Korra. Unfortunately, I don't think the show could make up its mind on whether or not it wanted to be mature or kid friendly. Sometimes the plot progression and dialogue felt like a saturday morning kid's cartoon and people acted totally unbelievable. >>3672 Canon doesn't matter, anon. All that matters is headcanon. The first 3 books of TLA were great, and that's all that matters.
>>4027 Korra is very much an exercise in style over substance. Except it has no styleno grace, and dare I say it may ever have a funny face
>>4035 The animation was pretty neat at times(mainly just the equalist chi-benders looking and moving like complete bosses) And korra is a goldmine for fit, brown women although I think the bunny hero from Green Naruto took that spot
>>4027 >Being the literal avatar of the earth's spirit just goes to show you further that bending all four elements is something unique & special. No one else can do it. It's deeper than muh bender blood. We're repeatedly shown an association between bending and spiritual/esoteric matters. Zuko's getting disabled. Katara seeing the Painted Lady. >There's no proof all the air nomads could bend. Sozin killed them because he knew the next Avatar would be an airbender. We're shown no non-monk airbenders. Aang immediate assumed the gliders at the temple were Air Nomads. And site lore said such. >Lavabending didn't exist till LoK Yes it did. See Kyoshi.
>>4038 Nigger I have no idea what you're even trying to say at this point. A normal non-avatar bender cannot bend more than their element they were born into. What?! We barely see Air Nomad society in ATLA. We have no idea how many are benders & how many are purely just monks. Kyoshi did not lava bend. She was the avatar & a very powerful earth bender.
>>4024 >Meaning it's silly that metalbending can spread to the point nameless cops can do it. >>4025 > Just like how nameless, poor factory workers can lightning bend for multiple hour long shifts daily. In defense of these things, I think it was a consequence of how much information(bending styles and secrets) spread with the advancement of technology(printed books, newspaper and radio). Take lightning bending, in TLA it's treated as this super advanced form of fire bending, that can only be used by those who are in total balance. Truth is, this was something only known by the royal family, and some servants(those twin hags that helped Azula), and only taught to them, thus there were few people with the knowledge. Furthermore, they were probably all about tradition, and doing it exactly as their forefathers did, in the exact same way, same training, same technique. It might have actually been a really inefficient way of lightning bend, but there were too few people to experiment new ways of doing it, and they were discouraged from doing it, because of muh tradition and spirituality. After TLA, technology progressed, books were printed, and now every firebender knew the secret, but most couldn't do it. I believe some of them, figured out some hacks on how to quickly develop the skill, without needing to be in balance, however it wasn't as good as the original form, let's call this chinese lightning bending. So the chinese version quickly spread with books and newspaper, and now even more people could do it, and some of them developped even cheaper and dirtier modes of doing it, let's call this indian lightning bending, which spread further with books and now any fire bending smuch off the street could "master" it in a month. It is a degenerate form of the original, that can not hold a candle to it, but hey, 8 year old Jose can now do the cool lightning trick. Same things with cops, most could, at best throw a metal disk with lots of dirt in it, but if you wanted a real metal bender, you had to go to the Toph family. What is ridiculous with the power plant, is the idea that they would supply the electricity of the city, with some guys throwing lightning at a generator. Surely there needs to be a conservation of energy somewhere, where do those firebenders get the energy to lightning bend for several hours? Do they eat a hundred sandwiches to get the calories? Is spiritual energy "infinite", but that can't be, since we saw benders get tired, so they at least need to rest. Do they work for 10 minutes straight, rest for 50 and go back? Why are they even standing so far away from the generators when "working" All that lighting is wasted in the air, they should just touch the generator with their hands, or stand a few centemeters away, not meters away. What happens if a few of them call in sick? Can they no longer power the city? Why even do this, when you could build a damn to power the city or use wind mills(something that has existed, in our world since at least ancient times)?
>>4039 >Nigger I have no idea what you're even trying to say at this point. A normal non-avatar bender cannot bend more than their element they were born into. It's something deeper than muh bender bloodline. >What?! We barely see Air Nomad society in ATLA. We have no idea how many are benders & how many are purely just monks. We are told in the site that all Air Nomads were benders since they were so spiritual. We are given no distinction within the Air Nomads when it comes to bending. >Kyoshi did not lava bend. She was the avatar & a very powerful earth bender. Yes she did. Avatar Day shows her bending the magma when she killed Chin the Conqueror. >>4040 >advancement of technology(printed books, newspaper and radio) Poor worldbuilding. The "advanced technology" in TLA is concentrated in transportation and/or dependent on in ding. None of which requires radio. They forced in a Whiteless version of the WW2 Era West (not just in tech but fashions, music, buildings) with extra junk like giant robots. >rest They turned bending into mutant powers oithing more. >The whole thing about not needing the full moon (or any moon at all), despite Yakone and both sons not being any more powerful than the other Waterbenders we’d seen, and the genetic component that there’s just some special Bloodbending Is Easy gene in that one family. >Overall, I felt like LoK shifted the nature of Bending away from what it had been in AtLA. AtLA went out of its way to show a pair of identical twins with one being an Earthbender and one not, and special abilities were presented as being a result of technique. LoK, on the other hand, treats Bloodbending, Combustionbending, Earthbending, and Lavabending as mutant powers that some people are just born with, and which can travel across bloodlines. AtLA linked spirituality to Bending frequency and ability, with things like all the Air Nomads being Airbendings and Zuko ascending in power as he sorts himself out emotionally. LoK, in comparison, is fairly arbitrary with power levels, with Mako somehow being super-strong despite a lack of any real justification. >I just kept getting the feeling that the storytellers wanted to do something different with Bending in LoK, so they pushed it as far as they could within the constraints set up by AtLA, but wound up with something both disconnected from what came before and arbitrary in its own context. https://atla-lore-archive.tumblr.com/post/624730188434063360/would-you-mind-explaining-the-difference-between
https://atla-lore-archive.tumblr.com/post/178429825023/airbending-the-air-nomads-a-peaceful-race-wiped >AIRBENDING >The Air Nomads, a peaceful race wiped out by the Fire Nation a hundred years ago, were the last true masters of air. The Air Nomads traveled the world on their flying bison. They were the most spiritual of all the cultures and lived in harmony with nature. And unlike the other cultures, all Air Nomads are Airbenders. Anag is the last known member of the Air Nomads. https://atla-lore-archive.tumblr.com/post/169907993450/character-the-twins-poi-and-ping-are-identical >Character: The Twins <>Poi and Ping are identical twin brothers. The only difference between them is that one is an Earthbender while the other is not, proving that bending abilities are not genetic. So we're told isn't strictly about blood and that only the Air Nomads had a bender only population. We're also told they were more spiritual than the other lands. Like I said, esoteric.
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>>4025 That's because Bryke are idea guys and nothing more. ATLA was good because of their writers, especially Aaron Ehasz, the head writer. By the way, here's an uncomfortable thought. Pic related.
>>4047 I forgot they gave Aang a neckbeard in Korra, holy shit.
>>1810 I want to get in on this screencap
>>4342 What do you mean exactly?
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Guess who else are getting a live action adaptation: http://archive.is/8x1bk
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>>4397 You know, the PPG are canonically fingerless and with bug eyes in their cannon, I wonder how they are going to adapt this.
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He was a great villain who got written out cheaply.
>>4399 By having a drooling neckbeard character show up and reference things like that, then calling him a sexist virgin shitlord.
>>4397 >CW Oh boy, that's even worse than Netflix.
>>4401 The brainwashing dystopia angle was interesting, particularly since it was in the nation that is the obvious China analogue. There are somethings we I still wonder about, like the fact he might have been cloning Ju Di’s or else was brainwashing women to all act the same way. He also was mostly responsible for killing Jet, so that’s cool.
It's weak how even though she more or less became a goddess there were no signs of her in LoK outside of having a bay named after her. She became to spirits what the Avatar is to men. And yet there's no cults, not even in her motherland.
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>>4432 Jet was also a character that was written out lamely. At least Long Feng's story came to an end. Jet's just felt like it went nowhere.
>>4438 You expect Bryke to give us something with her when they couldn't even give Sokka a definitive fate beyond "Oh yeah, he's probably dead, lol." or an appearance outside of brief flashbacks.
>>4452 I can't wait for the live action adapation to have a plot line where sokka is obsessed with going to the spirit realm just so he can fuck the spirit moon. Actually I can't also wait until Sokka is made into a giga-chad who fucks at least one woman every episode.
>>4452 There was a whole arc about muh spirits and the WT's so-called traditions in LoK. One would argue Yue would be much more relevant to it than Sokka (who in TLA never showed much regard for spirits) especially when Unalaq was one of her tribesmen. Picture Unalaq with no Vaatu whatsoever but still a cultist. Instead he has some wacky plan with the moon and uses moon imagery. >>4453 They'll insert the retcons to the spirits/Spirit World yeah.
Production for this has been one hell of a shitshow, what are the odds that Netflix decides to cut its losses and drop the show?
>>4508 Here's a free lesson in entertainment, anon: Just when you think Netflix has reached a new low they disappoint you every time. https://invidio.us/watch?v=s4yzK4NbGOY.
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>>4509 I took one look at the thumbnail and exited the page
Korra villain tier list in order of concept Top Tier: >Unalaq Meh Tier: >Zaheer Lowest Tier >Amon >Kuvira Unalaq was really the only non-meh or non-bad villain concept. Zaheer is held down by the Red Lotus overall but having a corrupted airbender could've been neat if he was just a rogue disciple of Aang or even his son. Amon's Equalist movement forces in way too many things at odds with the setting as established in TLA. Kuvira is just an excuse to put Cartoon Hitler with some Mao who's also a "dark mirror of Korra" (and overall being a worse Azula).
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>>4698 >villain tier list in order of concept On the other hand from an aesthetic vantage point Amon was top tier. It's a shame about everything else about him.
You would think they'd learn after that disastrous Shymalan movie but Netflix is the place to dump money into live action adaptations that nobody wants. It will be an even more unmitigated disaster with the original creators leaving over creative differences. Why don't they just animate the graphic novels of Aang's after adventures? Or better yet, make a new Avatar show. Could even be another girl. Just get rid of the stink and failed potential that was Korra. I hate having her brought up whenever we talk about Aang.
>>4723 >Why don't they just animate the graphic novels of Aang's after adventures? Those are bad.
>>4729 The ones about Aang and Zuko trying to figure out what to do with the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom and with Toph reuniting with her dad were okay. The Search is absolutely fucking shit, though, and if they made more after those three, I wouldn't be surprised if they were bad.
>>4855 Wasn't there one where Aang gets fucking pissed because he finds some hippies LARPing as Air Nomads?
>>4860 Yes that's the one, and it's resolved by Katara telling him, that he isn't any better because he is a race-mixer, as such he has no right to argue about muh purity.
>>4900 That's retarded.
>>4855 >The ones about Aang and Zuko trying to figure out what to do with the Fire Nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom It turned Zuko into a FN apologist. >with Toph reuniting with her dad were okay The comics say Toph's mom supported her while her dad didn't.
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Here's a whitepill.
>>4918 >Korrasami >6% >Beat out by a joke ship of Sokka and Toph >Zutarans still BTFO I don't even care about ships but this still gives me some joy.
>>4918 idc about shipping I'm just glad the dyke bait got buried
>>4917 Supported her in what?
>>4925 Being a strong independent blind loli that don't need no man.
remind me why alot of people weren't satisfied with book 3 of the original series? I know some people thought Aang get back his chakra's was bullshit, but I remeber there being other shit.
>>4938 Some people think spirit bending was an asspull, other than that I don't really know what would be bad about it. I guess some of the things like the Boiling Rock could be considered filler. But that's about it.
>>4925 In her interests. Her parents even got a modern Western divorce. >>4940 >Some people think spirit bending was an asspull It was. No actual foreshadowing unless you count Ty Lee's chiblocking. Both Amon and Unalaq with all the lore ruining they did root in spiritbending too. Not to mention Aang failed to actually remove Ozai as a threat. He still lived and could certainly be used as a rallying point for his loyalists or just those who oppose Zuko for how he rejects the FN's conquests.
>>4946 >Not to mention Aang failed to actually remove Ozai as a threat. He still lived and could certainly be used as a rallying point for his loyalists or just those who oppose Zuko for how he rejects the FN's conquests. Would they not have just martryed him if he died? I'd argue the other stuff could have made interesting content for the comics had they been actually good(they apparently did bring up Ozai loyalists like twice in the comics but they were barely a threat.)
>>4946 >He still lived and could certainly be used as a rallying point for his loyalists or just those who oppose Zuko for how he rejects the FN's conquests. They could have just wrote Zuko as an Ieyasu in a contrast to Ozai's Hideyoshi like personality and had Zuko start a period of noncontact and isolationism for the Fire Nation.
>>4948 >Would they not have just martryed him if he died? He wouldn't be around to give legitimacy. This gets understated in arguments on TLA's ending, but the Fire Nation did not lose the 100 Year War. Not conventionally. The capital was not occupied. The colonies weren't lost. The military from all evidence was still strong. Outside of Brykeland, having a king be locked up by his traitorous son with aid by the king's traitorous brother and foreigners with no evidence said king was unpopular in the relevant circles (military, aristocracy) would get you a division at best to civil war at worst. >>4949 The FN was steamrolling a continent for a century. They can't just go "okay our bad we'll just go back home." No no, there would be calls for blood. Demands. And TLA Zuko rather than Comics Zuko was disillusioned with the FN's imperialism.
>>4959 Well by that point in time some thing were starting to go against the FN; besides both the Fire Lord and his heir being captured (who had spent her brief period in charge alienating her supporters and firing anyone she could for paranoid reasons) they also lost a massive chunk of their navy in the complete fucking disaster that was the siege of the north, the rebels drove them out of Ba Sing Se and other major cities, and their airforce failed its objectives while also suffering major losses, all on the day that the FN was supposed to be at its most powerful; the blow to morale wouldn't have been major, it would have been devastating. Remember, their attempt to burn the Earth Kingdom to the ground was approved because the military admitted to the Fire Lord himself that they were stretched too thin to realistically hold their gains and would have started losing ground quickly if the war dragged on any longer. I do think that Ozai loyalists should have been a more important factor of post war politics, the comics on a whole should have been about Zuko cementing his rule and proving himself better than his father and easing the FN into peace and demobilization, instead of whatever the fuck we got.
>>4971 Bryke has a habit of escalating threats and then wrapping them up with no strings attached. They do it in Korra too. The Equalists in Korra occupied Republic City and had military supremacy courtesy of Asami's dad. Realistically, even if Amon was proven a fraud, there should still have been pockets of resistance and successor movements. It would be equivalent to Zeon in Gundam ceasing to exist after the Zabi's get wiped out.
>>4972 The Platinum game actually addressed that and established there were, but it was pretty much all to have more enemies to fight.
>>4971 >much of post They lost battles. They didn't lose the war in a way that showed the FN was triumphed over. Being subverted by traitors and all. >Ozai loyalists They would be the ones in control of the military and aristorcrats. From all evidence the colonies closest to the FN should be a base for those who oppose Zuko's rule (the oldest acquisitions mean that they should be the most drawn into the FN's order with colonists, military, etc.). >I do think that Ozai loyalists should have been a more important factor of post war politics, the comics on a whole should have been about Zuko cementing his rule and proving himself better than his father and easing the FN into peace and demobilization, instead of whatever the fuck we got. It was an extension of the problem where they forced in parts of Korra's setting back into TLA's. They already made Republic City as a United States/United Nations/Singapore composite that was disconnected from the FN despite being built on FN colonies. That means there can be no significant Anti-Zuko faction in the FN and RC since Aang is only shown facing Amon's father as a notable conflict. >>4978 They were pawns of that game's villain.
>>4986 >they lost battles In the same way that Germany "only" lost Kursk, or the Confederacy lost Gettysburg; sure they could keep fighting but anyone who takes a closer look at the situation knows that odds at winning the war is slim at best, impossible at worst; the momentum isn't just gone but has been shattered, the best they could do is try to hold onto whatever scraps of land they aren't gradually losing to re-emboldened resistance groups. >they didn't lose in a way that showed they were triumphed over They lost an entire fleet, they lost the city they spent decades trying to take in a single night, and they lost their fleet of super weapons and their leadership on top of it.
>>4986 You are forgetting that generals love war, but soldiers hate it. Do you really think those FN soldiers in Bah-Sing-Sey, really liked being there? Constantly hated by the citizens, always double checking to make sure rebels don't hit them with rocks from behind, getting their supply lines attacked and so on? Don't you think they would rather be back home on their island with their wife and children instead of risking their lives daily for what? Making some FN nobles richer. Sure when Zuko said war is over, and the troops to retreat, the generals disliked it, but couldn't reall oppose him, but the soldiers sure loved going back home.
>>4988 >muh fleet muh superweapon From what we're shown the FN did not suffer great loss and dysfunction from the war. The FN itself was untouched. The western land the FN's forces seized weren't reclaimed. They were still the industrial leader. They lost battles. The FN would at worst have to start negotiating terms. >>4990 Nothing says they wouldn't have the forces to hold onto the western territories at least. The military and aristocrats who'd oppose any concessions to their enemies should be there to not only prevent Zuko from making any consessions but keep loyalists in bases like in the west on standby. FYI, I maintain RC not just being an extention of the Fire Nation is bad worldbuilding. Not only is the passage of time too short to have anything like a seperate national identity but Aang in TLA didn't express any interest in making Avatar Murica/United Nations/Hong Kong/Singapore. I also maintain RC with all its fancy technology being still of the Fire Nation and its coolies would provide a much stronger ideology for Unalaq too.
>>4991 >RC not just being an extention of the Fire Nation is bad worldbuilding. RC itself is bad world building because despite being set on the planet of the Asians none of its architecture, culture, or politics are Asian. Not only that it has a inexplicably higher level of technology than the rest of the planet has and has had for thousands of years and this technological leap happened in only about 50 or 60 years with no real foundation to even kind of justify it. Why didn't they just set LoK in a completely different continuity like a parallel world or on a different planet in the same solar system?
>>4993 >culture It's Avatar America/UN/Singapore/Hong Kong. >tech I've seen apologists say that the tech fit since the FN had stuff like the big drill. For which I say that: A. For all the tech we saw in TLA we saw signs the world wasn't really industrial the way this one is. No mass communications. No printing press. B. Much of the technology was either tied to bending or tied to the resources/geography of the 4 lands.
>>4993 Either Bryan or Mike has a hard on for the aesthetic of the Roaring 20's, so they made a New York analogue and filled it with anachronisms and an obnoxious statue of liberty parallel to seal the deal, which as >>4991 points out, Aang never would have agreed to. At the very least, it looks like firebenders are in control of the military, since the only general we see is Iroh the 2nd. Sort of like the police being predominantly earthbenders People bring up the fire nation in regards to tech to which I say, Yes, a people who can control fire might have an edge in discovering something like the steam engine or hot air balloons, seeing as they can freely manipulate fire.
>>5006 >People bring up the fire nation in regards to tech to which I say, Yes, a people who can control fire might have an edge in discovering something like the steam engine or hot air balloons, seeing as they can freely manipulate fire. Wouldn't the Water Tribes be the ones to potentially able to follow the Fire Nation in being able to progress, not the Earth Kingdom? Especially due to living on the coldest places on the planet and constantly being attacked by pirates, it seems like the Water Tribes would be the more desperate ones wanting to improve and move their society forward (Not to mention wanting to rebuild and unify their tribes that are on opposite sides of the planet). And, since they don't have the advantage of fire as a source of power, they would take inspiration from the FN's inventions, but put their own spin on it by specializing their society relying upon hydropower. Then, there's also the fact that it was the waterbenders who made submarines possible (Which means the WT would also have the forefront on exploration and warfare). And, that's on top of hydropower having a potential usage across the entire Earth Kingdom, the Fire Nation, and at the Air Nomad temples as it would make energy and production more accessible outside of having you rely upon benders as the sole source of progress. When you start expanding from there, it really makes it look like the Water Tribes are able to become the most powerful force on the planet that could easily rival the FN.
>>5006 >Either Bryan or Mike has a hard on for the aesthetic of the Roaring 20's I say they just wanted to do a superhero story in a 20slike setting and used Avatar's for it. This gets understated in these discussions, but LoK reframed the Avatar's role. LoK turned the Avatar into some god-queen beyond question who was needed not so much from being a key figure in the universe's workings but from keeping the horrid meat eating humans in line. Doubly since the Kyoshi novels talked about Yangchan being bad at her job since she gave humans what they wanted and let them be mean to spirits. A distinctly Western/Abrahamic notion, not Far Eastern.
I'm sure LoK's bad father Aang is closer to how Bryke envisioned/sees the character than what we got in TLA overall. Both LoK the comics were made with much tighter control from them than TLA was. You can see shades of the differences for Aang when comparing him in Book 3 against all the older Books. Between his sudden "no i wunt kill ozai muh airbender ways", convenient power-up, him hanging out with a fangirl.
>>4918 I remember being weirded out by the kataang as a kid because Aang was younger than Katara. It was probably the noticeable age gap between the voice actors which made it weird for me.
>>5093 There's only a 2 year age difference. That's not uncommon in actual 3dpd relationships.
>>5097 Like I said, the voice actors made the age game seem much larger
>>5097 He's talking about the VA's, which is understandable. I kinda had the same reaction when I first heard the english dub of Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) since there was a jarring disconnect between one character obviously being an adult trying to sound like a kid and the other being an actual kid . Granted, I still like that dub and put it in the category of one of the few "good" anime dubs. It's too bad that most of the Funi VA's turned out to be massive faggots and stabbed Vic Mignona in the back, but he did get the last laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omB6FnzU270 How come apologists for how LoK characterized Aang keep acting like he didn't respect other cultures than his own?
>>5185 Because it's projection on their part because Korra actually disrespects multiple cultures and doesn't respect anything other than herself.
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Even accepting that airbending was strictly hereditary, there should have been some others with the potential in their blood by the time Aang woke up. The Air Nomads should've had a system in place for dealing with their "failures" (women who have bastards, men who hunt for whores and wine). It'd be silly that for all this time there were no Air Nomad bastards or runaways or exiles. Kyoshi's books even had her mother be a rogue Air Nomad who supposedly had her bending fade from a life of crime. Let alone Ty Lee and her stunts.
>>5194 Ozai literally spent a lifetime hunting down air nomads. Plus it's very difficult to stay in hiding when you have blue arrow tattoos.
>>5195 *Sozin
>>5195 >Ozai literally spent a lifetime hunting down air nomads They'd have to find them all. Both actual members of the culture and those with the lineage. Considering TLA's world for all the FN's technology didn't have mass surveillance or mass communications it'd be easier than you think for stragglers and unkowning airbenders to slip in the cracks. >Plus it's very difficult to stay in hiding when you have blue arrow tattoos. Not all Air Nomads had the tattoos. DVD lore says that only masters like Aang himself or Gyatso had them.
>>5198 Yeah they could slip through the cracks... were Sozin & his entire firebender army not powered up by the comet that allowed them to burn whole mountain temples with ease. Hell Sozin's dragon alone would probably kill any escaping air nomads on bison.
>>5199 That doesn't address the problem of unknowing airbenders or past exiles. And one of the comics had Zhao lure Aang into a trap by planting AN artifacts (pointing to the FN not just wiping out all the other Air Nomads during Sozin's Comet and needing to make an effort to draw out the ones who escaped or were away from the population centers).
>>5200 Simple. There are none. If there were, they're all long dead. You're overthinking ideas that are never explored. Certainly wouldn't want to use the shitty comics or the even worse continuation with Korra.
>>5199 The fire nation had 100 years to clean house on the airbenders, and they are pretty thorough. Look at how well they did rounding up the waterbenders of the Southern Tribes.
>>5204 No Air nomads refugees, in Ba sing se for example?
>>5224 You think that if an Airbender got into Ba Sing Se, someone like Long Feng wouldn't have stepped in to try and practice some good old eugenics? I mean, they had primitive brainwashing and were cloning Ju-Di's in essentially medieval china.
Is it all possible that the Fire Nation found strangling air nomads, and started performing Unit 731-teir experiments on them? And, the end result of those experiments was finding a way to "detect" who is and isn't an airbender, as well as allow for their advancement in technology.
>>5228 Now you're just writing torture porn fanfiction with no basis in the show.
>>5201 It's believeable enough. And is far easier than just muh portals. >>5204 Them being tribes would make them more stationary.
>>5194 Genociding all the air nomads is more plausible than genociding all the Jedi in Star Wars. If we only take the Lucas films, the Empire systematically killed all the jedi in less than 20 years(Luke was 19 in Episode IV), and only 2 were left in Exile hiding from the Empire, Obi-Wan and Yoda, both old men. Yoda only had a few more years to live, and Obi Wan was probably the same, so if Leia hadn't sent the message, or the droid hadn't been found, it could have been possible for both of them to have died, before having the chance to teach Luke anything about the Force. He might have been somewhat Force Sensitive, but he did not know how to use it, nor how to learn. All the FN had to do, was offer bounties for any Air Nomad found, and if they were hiding in the Earth Kingdom, then just pay either some FN or EK mercenaries to hunt them down, they would have done anything for money(kinda like the Empire in SW). Put bounties for any Air Nomad found, or whoever was seen practicing Air Nomad teachings. In 30 years you probably already exterminated all of them, and the rest, if they crossbreed with some earthbender, they could just as well have been either nonbenders or earthbenders. Whatever mixed-race second generation airbender was left, that never used his bending, for fear of getting caught, would again cross with either a nonbender or an earthbender, and have even less of a chance of getting air benders. The population was too tiny to have any more Air Benders. Plus, it's not like they hunted AN for 100 years, by the time the show starts, tehy were ready to decimate the Water Tribes as well, they were already on their path of genociding a second race. >>5228 In the show we do see, in flashbacks, that they did keep water benders as prisoners, so I suspect they did some sort of studies on them, that may or may not have included torture. It's also how Iroh probably learned from them, when he developed lightning redirection.
>>5236 You're leaving out that within context of TLA lore alone (so no Korra or sequel comics), we don't know how long it takes for bending ability to be "bred out" or even if it really can. Toph's parents had no bending, Katara's parents and brother had no bending, there was an identical twin set with only one bender. For you scenario of Air Nomads mixing with Earth Kingdom citizens, it might be the case that they aren't airbenders since they don't practice the proper rituals or otherwise are part of the right culture/tradition even if they were born with "the gift." TLA was reliable on tying bending to spiritual practices or overall culture and one's state of being (hence Zuko's firebending going on the fritz). On a relevant note, as has been pointed out here already, Korra treated bending as more like superpowers some are born with with no reliable cultural practice/spiritual practice significance. It's part of what made Korra’s show and her own "arc" not work too well. In the first book viewers are told that Korra’s biggest flaw as an Avatar is a lack of spiritual connection/respect for tradition. This quickly enough fell apart since if she's so un-spiritual/dysfunctional that she can’t even activate the Avatar State as a fight-or-flight response when her life is danger the way Aang could, then how can she bend so well at all? Having a "secular" Avatar in a "modern" world coming to terms with being a spiritual figure isn’t a bad concept for a character arc. But it was coupled with the showrunners deciding to transform/get rid of the more spiritual/esoteric cuts of bending and spirits (like needing the full moon for blood-bending or bending not doable in the Spirit Realm). That is really broken from a storytelling perspective: they made it so that their protagonist’s big flaw was rooted in an aspect of their setting's "magic" (bending) that they were simultaneously reworking. Korra was doomed to never having a credible arc the second they made those decisions since it meant there was no incentive to reliably tie her powah to any character development rooted in legit spiritual practice or rituals over giving her power-ups/fixes as the plot demanded. And also since they did a sloppy job tying a villain like say, Unalaq's to her spiritual problem since she solved the problem tied to him by just reconnecting to some retconned in goddess and turning giant. It also plays a role for Korra flailing when they tried to shift gears and take a more "introspective" approach for her. Once you strip all things related to her role as the Avatar from her, she‘s still really in public memes knowledge as being a dyke or SJW heroine (what she is, not what she does).
>>5236 >If we only take the Lucas films, the Empire systematically killed all the jedi in less than 20 years If you only take the films, all the Jedi were killed at the same time in Revenge of the Sith. If you take EU stuff, then they say some escaped and got hunted down, but given how few were implied to be left, that's not that surprising either.
>>5261 Nigga you're wrong. The jedi didn't just all get wiped out at once. Most on missions & all in the temple were slaughtered but Obi-wan sent a message out to any remaining Jedi off world to stay away from the temple after a return beacon was broadcasted as bait to remaining jedi.
>>5264 >>5261 I wish /sw/ wasn't stuck on julay
Since this is serving as the board's current all-purpose Avatar thread, I'll point out that it's weak that Korra not only already masted most elements but had really no trouble doing special techniques like metalbending. It's just another sign of how Bryke treated bending as just superpowers you had with non-benders way less cool (hence Bumi Jr. having to get airbending).
>>5459 Yeah, I don't like how non-benders got shafted in Korra. I think it's also why they didn't bring Sokka back despite giving every other member of team avatar a cameo. I mean, outside of bending you had, Swordsmen (Book 3 Sokka) Weapon masters (Mai) Chi blockers (Ty Lee) In Korra, you had bending getting reduced to elemental boxing matches from the full fledged martial arts they were in ATLA. How disappointing
>>5460 The comics had Mai break up with Zuko with still no indication they get back together today. I suspect that it roots in Bryke only really wanting Mai to be an antagonist with the direction her character went through in Book 3 stemming from other parts of the showrunners. It goes in line with how Aang's behavior in the comics fits well with how LoK portrayed him. >chi blocker There were blocker schools in Republic City, problem was that they never did anything with teaching how to counter benders especially when Amon's bending removal was just bloodbending.
>Azula >Suki >Mai >Sokka They were all more or less ignored by LoK with no real solid answers on their lives in interim years between TLA's era and Korra's despite how important they were to the benders in the Gaang. Sokka and Suki just got some joker comment on them moving to the suburbs, Mai has yet to make up with Zuko, and Azula was last seen running off in smoke.
>>3669 It was meh. The world building is kind of weak. It's just an ok show. >>4025 I thought the lightning bending was more because Zuko shared the knowledge to other firebenders. Like it was originally a secret that only the royal family knew how to do. Then Zuko becomes Firelord he shares that knowledge with everyone. >>4698 >Kuvira being a dark mirror of Korra. That bugs me so much since it doesn't make sense. If they wanted to make her that they should have built her character more in season 3. Make her a Korra fan girl who wants to be like her and is violent and Korra realizes how bad her old violent ways were. That and show her becoming more corrupted over time like Anakin during the Clone Wars. >>4723 I thought they could show older avatars so far in the past it wouldn't mess with the continuity. Like Avatar's version of KOTOR.
>>5534 >I thought they could show older avatars so far in the past it wouldn't mess with the continuity. Like Avatar's version of KOTOR. You're going to have to, since Bryke screwed the pooch on any future post-Korra series. >The Avatar state is a boost in power given by tapping into the shared knowledge and experience of the countless generations of Avatars that came before? >Nah, it's because you have some Legend of Zelda looking blue banner bitch living inside you, also, to rub salt in the wound let's get rid of all the past lives. It essentially reduces any future avatars to only having Korra to rely on and get advice from. Which could be funny if they play it in a Malus Darkblade type situation where Korra keeps trying to give the MC bad advice while they continuously tell her to shut up.
>>5534 >lightning bending We're told by Iroh himself that bending lightning needed a firebender to manipulate yin and yang through seperating them and unleashing them. That doesn't sound like a street trick. >Kuvira She's supposed to be a reflection of Korra "early on but it didn't work since Korra has just about no difference in how she handles the issues compared with then. She was too much of a Gurl Hitler (with some Mao thrown in) to be a proper reflection. She currently only has "both are supposed to be uniters and are muscle."
I was going to write an essaypost, and I did partially, but instead I'll be super quick, since none of you under-men are worth my time. Left overs: I really, really want to put down the ignorant savages that think the Fire Nation is solely based off of Imperial Japan. The fact that they are imperialistic is not something unique to Japan, and neither that they live on an archipelago; consider the inspiration of the Sun Warriors. What is is the fact they're industrialized and wrecking everyone else on an unprecedented scale on account of that industrialization. At the same time we have the Kyoshi Island (besides the name of the island sounding Japanese), which broke away from the mainland (much like Japan was once before being separated over millions of years, and completely since the last great ice age thousands of years ago), and never mind the Kyoshi warriors and their martial arts style and warpaint (Kabuki theater paint) being much more reminiscent of Japan (note that the usage of fans is not inherently Japanese, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessenjutsu). Fact is all the Nations are amalgamations of various Asiatic peoples. See Osprey Publishing for more. Water tribe partial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Yupik
>>5581 How do you feel about people saying the Earth kingdom is just China? There is more evidence for that, though. The wall around Ba Sing Se The Qing style monarchy the Maoist secret police, whose heads even have similar names (Long Feng = Kang Sheng)
>>5581 Sounds like a Korrafag
Azula almost killing the Avatar is less disturbing when you recall LoK made the Avatar have no significance in how the cosmos functions.
>>4990 >>4986 >>4959 >>4946 Well, the formal way to challenge the Fire Lord would be Agni Kai (good luck), and any loyalists would be fighting for a guy who can't fire bend, which is an implicit requirement to rule the FN. The FN's aristocracy is additionally poorly defined and seems nowhere as wealthy or influential as in the EK. All the FN's big generals answer directly to the Fire Lord, and very well may be hand selected commoners (with good military records) that could be dismissed on a whim.
>>5555 >It essentially reduces any future avatars to only having Korra to rely on and get advice from. Not even that. A recent comic reveals that Korra's recreation of the avatar state is an inferior copy of the original and none of the subsequent Avatars will ever have any connection to any of their previous lives.
>>5668 To add to that, "Fire Lord" Azula appeared to have gone raving mad.
>>5669 Chalk it up to Bryke's Boomer writing saying that all tradition not supportive of your cuck/degenerate behavior is bad. That said, as I already pointed out LoK removed the Avatar having any legit significance in the cosmos by having it serve as just a dictator/vigilante empowered by a light goddess. The actuality is that taking Korra's lore for what it is means the Avatar is only needed from busting enough heads to keep humans in line and spirits not angry. Kyoshi's novel even talked about how the Air Nomad Avatar before Aang went wrong from how she did too much to help humans that it hurt spirits.
>>5697 Yang Chen (the Airbender in question) and the Waterbender whose wife got killed by the Face stealer seemed like interesting characters and I'm sad we didn't get as much on them as we did Roku and Kiyoshi Though seeing what they did to Kiyoshi, I'm glad they remain obscure. You would have thought she would have been given a bigger role, being one of the few who could understand Aang's situation, and I believe she was the one who basically told him that as much as it would pain him to betray his philosophy as an Air Nomad, he as the Avatar had a duty to the world to act in the greater good when it came to killing the Fire Lord. At least, if I'm remembering the scene correctly.
>>5700 They were both included in the Kyoshi novel. Kuruk (waterbender) was corrupted by Dark Spirits and Yangchen was said to have helped humans too much.
>>5701 The avatar exta material was a mistake. Everything I read about it makes me believe Korra was the final strike in a curb stomping that started with the comics and novels.
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>>5701 There was a Kiyoshi novel?
>>5718 Apparently there are two in an ongoing series. With the first one released in 2019. No wonder it had trash ideas.
>>5721 Wait it was apparently only a two part series. At least it isn't an ongoing one.
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I know Kuvira had bad writing since they just wanted to force in meme Hitler with some Mao into Avatar's setting, but how come she didn't just use the prince as her puppet to let her have legitimacy? Everything about him before he got his personality retconned pointed to him being controlled with stuff like whores and wine.
>>5849 I always thought she was more like Chiang Kai-shek or the KMT in general.
>>5859 They were obviously trying to make her Avatar Hitler (what with her trying to Shoah non-Earthbender) with parts of Mao (reeducation and opposing EK traditional government and hating foreigners) thrown in.
>>5892 Did she try to shoah non-earthbenders? I don't remember that part at all, what I do remember was that she was a militaristic dictator that wanted to re-unite her shattered homeland and reclaim lost territory, I remember the labor camps for POWs and political enemies but its easier to list countries that never did this than ones that did
>>5911 She was targeting those who had non-Earth Kingdom blood.
>>5849 I've only watched a few episodes of whorra, did Kuviva try to gas some kike-analogues?
>>6503 >>5943 I should note it might've been acceptable if she was targeting the FN and its sons in her Earth Empire but we weren't told such. Same problem Amon had where the Equalists only really work if they are targeting firebenders.
>>6504 With the Equalists, I can understand where it can be less about "Firebenders tried to take over the world" and more "There are people who have powers that we don't, how is that fair." their enemy is bending in general, not just a certain kind of bending. Which, when the entire police force and military seem to be made up of benders, it wouldn't take much to convince a non-bender that they're being oppressed, even if they really aren't. In fact, they work less if they're targeting firebenders since it is shown that firebenders essentially power the entire city by risking their lives lightening bending to provide electricity for Republic City. If anything, targeting Earthbenders would make more sense since they (metalbenders especially) are the face of the police force.
>>6506 >There are people who have powers that we don't, how is that fair That's just shit out of X-Men which has everyone with superpowers be a stand-in for gays/jews/nigs since the writers want to tell a fantasy racism/class warfare plot without having to include anything properly integrated in the setting (everyone in Avatar is more or less an Asian, the society in TLA is pre-industrial so there's no capitalism/capitalists as we know it). Benders in TLA had no real societal advantage over non-benders as opposed to merely specialized positions like a waterbender providing healing (which was treated as a subdiscipline for the skilled, not a cheap trick). >Which, when the entire police force and military seem to be made up of benders, it wouldn't take much to convince a non-bender that they're being oppressed, even if they really aren't. Earthbenders being the whole police force depended on Toph's metalbending becoming something that can be taught in mass rather than be an extreme product of rigorous training/having the right senses. >it wouldn't take much to convince a non-bender that they're being oppressed, even if they really aren't. Except we're supposed to see they (Equalists) had legitimate grievances even if Amon was just a supervillain who was indeed a bender. The showrunners repeatedly shilled that Modern Western Liberal Democracy is the best way to organize society as long as the right women are in charge so Raiko getting elected was supposed to address said legitimate grievances. >In fact, they work less if they're targeting firebenders since it is shown that firebenders essentially power the entire city by risking their lives lightening bending to provide electricity for Republic City Tell us how lightingbending can go from something only the most elite within elite firebenders did to something that can power a city. >If anything, targeting Earthbenders would make more sense since they (metalbenders especially) are the face of the police force. You're just taking what Korra did and not questioning it.
Isn't the problem with all the politics in Avatar is that the writers don't know how to write a story about political confrontations during peace tome, when no one is really trying to kill each other. And the fact that every single Asian country, when they finally started progressing to compete with the West, either became even worse shitholes than they already were or became varying degrees of a cyberpunk metropolis with a dying countryside.
>>6508 There's a lot of problems with Avatar after The Last Airbender.
>>6509 Then, let's not even acknowledge anything after the original cartoon and leave it at that. The mere fact that the later material tries to make the series more "allegorical" to the development of the West rather than keeping the show in it's Eastern frame of mind should tell you exactly where their mindset is. Hell, for example, Republic City should have been modeled off Singapore, NOT New York.
>>6508 >And the fact that every single Asian country, when they finally started progressing to compete with the West, either became even worse shitholes than they already were or became varying degrees of a cyberpunk metropolis with a dying countryside. That could have been an interesting story to have told in and of itself in the Avatar world. The main problem with trying to do so setting wise is that there is no West in the Avatar world, which is the whole problem with Republic City in Korra.
>>6508 That's from how the showunners as noted at >>6480 wanted LoK to be a story about the greatness of Modern Homo Filled Multicultural Democracy and how it's the best way for society and that everyone opposing it is a big meanie who needs to be punched. Unalaq especially since as noted in that same set of posts, he was obviously meant to be some sort of reactionary fundie just as much as he was some force for integration except Avatar was set in an Eastern so there would be no Papacy, no jockeying for power between King and Pope, no Protestants, no 30 Years War aka everything that made the West have such suspicion towards Church having temporal authority. >>6511 The only way to have such a situation in Avatar's setting is if the Fire Nation was more obviously shown as being in opposition to the places Korra happens in with the villains' schemes more strongly tied to the big war and the FN's impact.
>>6510 Everything after the original show was done because "lol we thought it was cool" rather than doing something that makes sense for the world.
>Bolin: Gee Korra, I sure am not threatened by how I am not remotely superior to you in any relevant way and I will act like a non-threatening beta chode when my brother cucks me and be a disrespected manbaby for the rest of the series even though I was initially presented like I'm supposed to an Alpha in every other aspect of my life. >Korra: (*grins*) >Mako: Even though you aren't more attractive than Asami in any way whatsoever I will cheat on her with you and will act like your my most important biggest woman >Korra: (*grins*) >Asami and Bolin: You two humiliated us and never really showed genuine remorse for it but we will continue to follow Korra around since we have no dignity and more importantly the showrunners are too invested in cheaply trying to have a version of Aang's posse but for Korra. Also gay. >Korra and Mako: (*grins*) There I summed up the romance.
Now, will 3D korra be a good thing or a bad thing?
>>6564 It'll be bad. Anymore obvious questions?
>>6569 Will they tackle the subject of bloodbending used for instant erections?
>>6564 I am assuming you are talking about the korra lookalike posted in another thread, and no the only way that could even be passable would be if she was an adult and naked. That's all korra is good for.
Anyone here talk about how Korra not only made the spirit world into some other dimension where you can vacation in but also where the dead (or at least the special dead) end up? East Asian traditions don't solidly believe in such an afterlife anyway.
>>6600 Two big problems this implies. Bryke themselves say Iroh is only there because he was spiritually ascended. We see no other humans but the lost souls in the fog. Implication is, according to LoK, that humans are just GONE when they die. That's pretty fucking horrific. Especially for a kids show. >East Asian traditions don't solidly believe in such an afterlife anyway. That's wrong. The chinese don't have an afterlife perse but they do have a heaven. It's just that heaven in chink myth is a realm of immortals & gods. Mortal souls just reincarnate. In Japanese Buddhism there is an afterlife Heaven but eventually you reincarnate. In Shintoism there is an afterlife called Yomi that's more just like a meh purgatory than heaven or hell. Point is, in asian cultures, there are forms of afterlifes depending on the region & religion. So LoK got that shit completely wrong.
>>6602 >>Two big problems this implies. Bryke themselves say Iroh is only there because he was spiritually ascended. Which is bad. TLA never said ANYONE who wasn't an Avatar (or being generous Yuei since she became the moon at death) went to the spirit world at death rather than becoming a new form and getting placed somewhere. >We see no other humans but the lost souls in the fog. Implication is, according to LoK, that humans are just GONE when they die. That's pretty fucking horrific. Especially for a kids show. The fog is no better. >That's wrong. The chinese don't have an afterlife perse but they do have a heaven. It's just that heaven in chink myth is a realm of immortals & gods. Mortal souls just reincarnate. In Japanese Buddhism there is an afterlife Heaven but eventually you reincarnate. In Shintoism there is an afterlife called Yomi that's more just like a meh purgatory than heaven or hell. Rebirth isn't the same as going to an afterlife where you are yourself with your memories. East Asian cultures teach about detachment and maintaining your bloodline at a higher level than other cultures since to them, all you are is destined to fade away leaving only some bare essence or just a wide plain of being. >Point is, in asian cultures, there are forms of afterlifes depending on the region & religion. So LoK got that shit completely wrong. No, LoK got it wrong by having them there as dead inhabitants to begin with.
>>6623 You really know nothing. I literally just told you afterlifes exist in chinese & japanese religions. They're just not the traditional eternal paradises. They're just stops onto the next reincarnation.
>>6627 >he still arguing Return to reddit.
>>6630 Nigger this isn't arguing. You literally got proven wrong & can't admit it.
>>6600 Did they actually appear in Korra? I'm pretty sure that's just straight fanservice, so, heh.
>>6600 You could argue that Zhao being there makes some sort of sense, if him being stuck there was meant as some horrible punishment, although I'd argue Koizilla could've made up something better than a fog he gets lost in forever. Iroh is absolutely just there because fanservice and probably so people wouldn't complain so much about how shit the Spirit World is compared to the glimpses we saw in the original series.
>>6602 >Implication is, according to LoK, that humans are just GONE when they die. That's literally the end goal of Buddhism. You cease to exist and are freed from the cycle of suffering in Samsara. Nirvana is essentially a candle being blown out for your existance, unless you choose to remain behind to assist others in attaining Nirvana and become a Bodhisattva. I mean, you have Pure Land Buddhism where you have an afterlife perfectly structured for you to attain Nirvana, with trees that grow bowls of rice and monk robes and other things to facilitate achieving enlightenment. But even then the end goal is oblivion, elimination of the self because existence is suffering.
>>6847 >The entire point of living is just so that you can die. That explains a WHOLE Hell of a lot, and why Asia is mostly a shithole.
>>6847 That's pretty fucked up....
>>6847 Huh, I thought Nirvana was floating around in a dreamlike state forever.
>>6849 >>6847 Well isnt life just perpetual pain?
>>7099 That is the first of the four noble truths 1. All life is suffering 2. Suffering arises from Desire 3. Only through elimination of desire can suffering cease 4. Desire can be eliminated through following the eightfold path
>>7100 But I wanna go to space.
>>7101 too bad, suffering arises from desire, that includes the simple desire to continue living.
>>7115 Suffering builds character and makes you stronger.
I won't even bother to pay attention to the Avatar franchise outside of at most selected official or non-official stories and art, some boards, official sources (to be used perhaps to point out how bad the franchise is overall), all that was already released (including the movie), lastly threads and blogs on selected lists.
So any update on the live action Avatar series, other than the original creators leaving it there really hasnt been any new info.
>>7363 Probably got delayed due to Kung Flu, just like the live action 40k tv series they were supposedly working on.
>>7374 > 40k tv series Wait what?
>>7375 They were making a tv series based off of the Eisenhorn novels.


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