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Star Trek: Lower Decks Anonymous 07/13/2020 (Mon) 21:27:10 No. 2843
The Trailer dropped yesterday. We knew this was going to be bad after STD and Discovery but nobody thought it would be this terrible. This is so low brow sci-fi comedy that it elevates Space Balls to Schindler's list levels. It was so bad that they had to disable dislikes and comments but somehow the thing is trending and almost has 1 million views. http://archive.vn/30uu0 (before dislikes comments turned off) http://archive.vn/imnpD (after dislikes and comments turned off)
>>2843 >but somehow the thing is trending and almost has 1 million views. >implying "trending" doesn't just mean "what the SJWs in charge are trying to advertise." >implying view counts aren't regularly inflated >implying a lot of those views aren't people who hate it anyway, because this is a very well known brand that people can't help but click on, even if they've hated what they've done to it in the last decade
>>2843 >they disabled likes & comments Imagine being a company & wanting your product to fail so badly you refuse to listen to any & all criticism. Fuck western scifi. Just go watch Gundam.
>>2843 >This is so low brow sci-fi comedy that it elevates Space Balls to Schindler's list levels. It looks like a R&M spoof. >>2853 >Just go watch Gundam. Captain Tylor is far better.
>>2854 >Captain Tylor is far better. Only the show. The OVAs sucked.
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Looks like Final Space.
>>2854 >CT It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. >>2858 It does, like they were using the poster as a reference.
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Posting the superior animated show.
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Care Bears did it before all of these and did it better.
>>2881 Great taste cunt Probably shouldn't have watched that shit as a kid though.
>>2853 >Just go watch Gundam. But they refuse to make a Crossbone Gundam Anime!
Here comes the pain train.
>>2898 Why did it eat my upload
>>2899 >>2898 Here's a palate cleanser, from a time when shows were not afraid of sexualizing women,
>>2901 >second webm I think I'm in love.
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Shame they brought back the TNG style design for this piece of shit. We're never gonna get another good Trek show again.
>>2903 >We're never gonna get another good Trek show again. You should have been aware of that when people memed that Next Gen is the "pinnacle" of the Star Trek series.
>>2858 And it has the same type of comedy
>>2903 Even by the '80s they weren't allowed to do good ones anymore. You should have known we'd never get a good one again the instant they replaced Kirk with that soyboy Picard.
>>2908 Regardless of what you think of Picard/TNG I think it's a travesty what they did with the new picard show. Turning it into some retarded fucking rebel vs big bad show with everyone walking over picard like he's some inbred nigger and him taking it in the ass like a good boy is far from what I imagined Star Trek in the future would be like.
>>2910 At least there's an easy cutoff point. After Enterprise, nothing else is canon. It's even legally considered a distinct entity. Even the "prime" timeline stuff they make now isn't actually the old timeline, it is legally required to be 40% different.
>>2904 I'd say while I personally like it better than DS9, DS9 is the best of them objectively. >>2910 They don't even get minor shit about the universe right. The Federation is supposed to be in a post-scarcity society but you have that dumb black lady bitch about how Picard has a vineyard while she lives in a shitty trailer. Just move out, you numb nigger.
>>2899 It has to be a crime to make something this bad right? I hope it flops hard and everyone involved never gets a job in tv ever again.
>>2913 >but you have that dumb black lady bitch about how Picard has a vineyard while she lives in a shitty trailer. Just move out, you numb nigger. That doesn't even make any sense. Everything if ever seen out of Star Trek would suggest to me that any citizen could basically requisition practically anything they wanted unless it were military grade or particularly dangerous. If you wanted a three story house you could probably put an order via the federation internet and someone would teleport you down a house fully built in a couple of days to weeks. If Earth was simply to crowded or bureaucratic for your liking then you could hop a ship for free to any of the various human and near human planets, which from everything I've seen are basically utopian pleasure worlds.
Rick and Morty is the media equivalent of a genocide.
>>2899 This is some fucking cancer right here holy shit.
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There's a ton of problems with this trash, but one I don't see people mention is the all human cast. Even TAS realized animation let them do bizzare aliens live action couldn't (and still can't on a TV budget). They added a recurring character with three arms and three legs just to exploit this. This is why the Star Wars Expanded Universe worked so well. The books were unafraid of putting aliens in major roles, knowing they wouldn't have to pay for the special effects, with the comics only slightly less willing. You could have an entire supporting cast like this.
>>2930 That's more or less accurate, but Picard ignores all that so it can have that character exist and berate Picard for things that are her own goddamn fault. The writers don't give a single fuck about continuity or the basic facts about the Star Trek universe, they're too busy inserting hamfisted political themes into the show.
>>2944 >>2930 Thanking about it, doesn't the presence of that entire scene pretty much show that niggers would rather live in the mud and complain about it than actually do something in a future where currency doesn't exist for the human race?
>>2945 Yes. It also implies that SJWs have managed to regress Star Trek's future just as they're regressing ours, so that they actually do have money and poverty and implicit racial tensions, when all of these things were gone even in the days of TOS, almost 150 years before this. Just like in real life, SJWs have regressed their host society into relative barbarism and poverty.
>>2901 >that blatantly French animation Fuck, that show had such potential. The original short was fucking AMAZING, but the actual show was lame as hell.
>>2943 That's another good point. We could've had a spotlight on some of the races you don't see much of but instead it's just humanoids.
>>3140 >but the actual show was lame as hell The actual show was great, it was essentially a more crude and cynical Futurama with shitty CGI and some neat ideas, solid 7/10
>>2935 The first season was pretty great, outside the dream episode cowtowing Inception which was poorly written unfunny dog shit. Mostly because it wasn't written and directed by a bunch of diversity hires and money sniffing sharks.
>>3167 >no nudity >that fucking ugly 4-legged feminist cunt >edgelord fedora humor >made the robot super fucking gay Disappoint incarnate. I had such hopes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jl_z6AlAAA
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>>2862 >like they were using the poster as a reference. Final Space uses a lot of influence from Star Wars and science fiction from the 70s-80s in general, so I would say the poster similarities are because they were influenced by science fiction posters from said era. And regarding character design similarities, idk, maybe they just wanted to appeal to R&M crowd.
>>3193 Sounds like you too want faggot clown powers
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>>3219 >Sounds like you too want faggot clown powers
The first episode is out. It is exactly what you'd expect it to be. How do they keep fucking up making Star Trek shows this bad?
>>3498 How does it feel
>>3498 >How do they keep fucking up making Star Trek shows this bad?
>>3498 Incompetence.
>>3498 How bad is it?
>>3498 It's the same way they keep fucking up comics so bad, or any other thing that previously was aimed at a mostly male audience. Due to it being aimed at a mostly male audience, the people who now control it actively hate it, and actively seek to destroy it.
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>>3510 You tell me I am not watching this shit
>>3526 It's incredible. They found a way to make Rick & Morty, but less funny.
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>>3526 pArt2
>>3526 >>3528 A zombie virus? That's the best they could do? I figured it would've been a The Fly situation where the DNA got mixed when they were beamed back aboard. >>3527 Rick & Morty isn't funny in the first place.
>>3529 >Rick & Morty isn't funny in the first place. That's the joke.
>>3526 Jesus, one minute in and I already hate the black one.
>>3526 I don't know if it's better or worse that they're using TNG-ish aesthetics. On the one hand, at least it actually fits closer to previous series compared to STD and Picard. On the other hand, it just makes me mad that they haven't done anything good with the series as a whole in years.
>>3531 same here. i'd still fill her full of my baby batter though.
They should have got Seth Macfarlane to make this show. How does the fucking Family Guy fag know how to make better Star Trek than the people making Star Trek?
>>3528 >>3529 >zombie virus Star Trek already had space zombies. They're called the Borg. What is this shit?
>>3559 Simple, Seth is a sincere fan of Star Trek, that's why.
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No surprise that this ended up being terrible. Now we just have to wait for the Nick cartoon next year which will also be terrible.
>>3526 >>3528 This wasnt as bad as I expected. If they keep the mildly amusing to cringeworthy ratio as is, it might go into my "entertaing but forgotten in a manner of days" folder. In comparison, Final Space went into my "holy shit this is so bad it makes me angry" folder. >>3557 nuTrek aesthetics are overdesigned and unsuitable for animation also nuTrek aesthetics are not ST aesthetics and the premise wouldnt work in nuTrek. STD and Retard are a grimdarker Farscape without any of the things that made Farscape good, and the producers seem to be well aware of that
>>3563 It's like someone wished on a monkey's paw and this the result.
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>>3527 >They found a way to make Rick & Morty, but less funny. Mike McMahan is the writer/producer of this show & In 2018, he won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Animated Program for his work as a supervising producer on the episode "Pickle Rick".
Why are there so few good space adventure cartoons? Traveling the cosmos is a great set-up for a cartoon, but there aren't many of them.
>>3745 >Why are there so few good space adventure cartoons? Because politics is boring! Also, it almost seems like they try to do everything to kill space-trek type shows since the beginning. The original Star Trek aired during the deadman shift, BSG had it's funding cut half-way through, Star Wars was never meant to succeed, Farscape was canned the minute they finished filming the last season (Despite consistent ratings). The only one that DIDN'T experience this, as far as I know, is Stargate; and, that only ended because MGM went bankrupt.
>>3748 There was also the straight 18 years of Star Trek TV shows from TNG to Enterprise. For most of the '90s, there were two Star Trek shows on at once, plus reruns of TOS and TNG.
>>3745 I'm trying to recall some shows in space but only Final Space and Bravest warriors are the only one that comes to my mind. Oh, also star wars cartoons, futurama and arguably time squad are also set in space, so I think we could have a thread about the subject and complete cartoons set in space. Would you consider Mars Beyond too? Because it's not a show but a short film for Disney.
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>>3526 >4 minutes Couldn't get further, it looks like shit, the opening is pretty cool tho, but the rest is garbage.
>>3564 >Final Space went into my "holy shit this is so bad it makes me angry" folder. Really? I think Final Space is decent, the problem is that Gary is an obnoxious faggot, his character was watered down way too much compared with the pilot, but I act like Avocato is the real protagonist of the show.
>>3526 >>3528 Christ this is fucking awful, who even is the target audience for this show? It's clearly aiming for an adult audience but the jokes are so juvenile that only a child would find them funny. >>3529 >Rick & Morty isn't funny in the first place That's the point dumbass, it's worse than Reddit & Memey. >>3609 That explains a lot.
>>3789 >rick & morty is worse than rick & morty Anon....
>>3791 That is objectively correct though.
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>>3757 Final Space was terrible on several levels: 1. Cheap storytelling shortcuts and manipulative tropes. 2. Outside of catchphrases, characters are inconsistent to the point "in character" and "out of character" becomes a meaningless distinction. 3. Random one-off characters becoming permanent side-characters for no fucking reason. 4. No chemistry between any of them. 5. Establishes tension then ruins with out of place slapstick every single time. 6. Forces the robot and the cookie shit WAY to hard, like obvious, unfunny, disgustingly transparent meme baiting. Theres characters that arent funny in any capacity but are still distilled down to a meme and forced fucking everywhere without rhyme or reason. 7. EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS A DEUS EX MACHINA. No exception, whenever there is a plot point to be resolved, theres gonna be an asspull out of fucking nowhere. The cats are pretty cool but even that is ruined by the fact that whenever there is character development, it is COMPLETELY forgotten by the next episode, and characters behave so much in the service of the plot moving that 9 out of 10 times its out of character.
>>3526 >>3531 What's the deal with calarts and awful girls who can do no wrong?
Now that Ive seen the second episode Im starting to figure out where theyre going with the characters. Black woman is the runaway princess type, she is perfect captain material due to her pedigree and general talents, however she avoids the responsibility of a proper officer to be able to laze off and enjoy the freedom of a loser. She was basically born into the "high society" of the fleet. Purple hair is the sheltered idealist type, he wants to play with the big dogs but just doesnt have the upbringing, the natural skills or the experience to be able to, so black woman is showing him the ropes on the side. The other 2 dont really have a character so far aside from "science nerd" and "autist". Im honestly looking forward to how they will fuck up a perfectly good premise. I honestly liked the twist how the ships command hierarchy is not really stratified in the way the first episode has shown it at all, and there really is no machine to rage against like Black Woman does.
>>3802 modern progressive politics. Most female characters end up being dindu nuffins because that's the incentivised way to write them.
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>>3803 Wait, so it's actually decent?
>>3805 Thats not what I said. Its watchable as far as fanwank slapstick parody goes, but Im doing my utmost to ignore the red flags. I fully expect the show to drop the ball at some point. So far its been more on the "eh" side of the spectrum rather than "why does this exist".
>>3802 >calarts nigga, the artstyle is bland, boring, and tedious to look at but it's not calarts, there aren't any beanfaces. Use the words correctly or don't use them at all.
>>3813 That's just one aspect of it. Look at the eyes. The faces (actual face, not just the headshape). They've gotten so bad and so generic over the last few years that now even just a slight change from the same ridiculously strict style gets people to say it's different, but it's not.
>>3821 But, anime get's away with same-face characters. They all look the same except for their feature designs and colors.
>>3822 even anime nowadays has more variance between shows than most western cartoons.
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>>3821 My point is calarts is a bland overused meme but at least used it in the contexts, there aren't any beanfaces? then it's not calarts, if it reminds something it would be the Rick and Morty character design which comes from the early justin TV flash cartoons. >>3822 Agree, but how's that relevant to the discussion?
>>3822 >>3823 Anime is still usually more sameface than western stuff, but western stuff is getting there. And at least the generic anime style isn't fucking ugly on purpose and always packed with propaganda. >>3826 >My point is calarts is a bland overused meme but at least used it in the contexts, there aren't any beanfaces? then it's not calarts, Not true. A few years ago, you wouldn't have debated this. It's just that they've been getting more and more standardized for decades, so now it's so standardized that a tiny change that wouldn't have disqualified them a few years ago now disqualifies them to you. You've let them lower the bar so far that you now overlook all the other stuff that still keeps it in this same generic style. >if it reminds something it would be the Rick and Morty character design which comes from the early justin TV flash cartoons. Which is just a slight variation on the same thing again. A few years ago, it wouldn't have been considered a variation at all, but the bar has been lowered even further. Your standards have been lowered.
>>3827 Do describe it then, please, what's the calarts style? How do you describe it? I might be out of the loop but I'm pretty it's a word to mock shows with bean faced characters like SU or Gravity Falls.
>>3829 >I'm pretty it's a word to mock shows with bean faced characters like SU or Gravity Falls. and you would be right, this retard is just calling everything he doesnt like "cal-arts"
>>3829 >>3833 Go look at archives of threads from a few years ago. The eyes and faces, which I already pointed out, are still very similar here. You're an extreme newfag if you think "calarts style" didn't exist before the beanface thing. It's existed for decades. That said, it has evolved over time, and in more recent years, shows have become more and more same-looking. You realize it refers to styles and techniques taught at an actual school, right? The complaint is that those styles and techniques are becoming more and more dominant, with students not being creative enough to branch out, and others who weren't even students copying it. Of course part of this is the school's fault, for not encouraging more creativity, not to mention skill, which goes along with the other complaint of the school teaching an ugly style that doesn't utilize what used to be considered fundamental skills. Frankly, it's not as if the school isn't itself influenced by other industry trends, so you can certainly trace the influence back further than CalArts, but the point is that CalArts is a major school that teachers this shit, and fails to teach useful stuff, but is incredibly influential and has been for decades, so its clout remains even with modern complaints. See A113 references in tons of cartoons, all referencing a specific classroom number at the school. If you were going to try to trace it back further, you can obviously see the style evolving through cartoon network shows going back to the '90s, and you can see it evolving in different directions if you follow the careers of people who worked there in those formative years. The influence of their time working on shows like Dexter's Lab can be seen in the works of both Butch Hartman and Seth MacFarlane, even if they're relatively different, at least compared to today. And are you going to say you don't see any influence of Seth MacFarlane in the very Pre-Rick & Morty cartoons you just referenced? Of course the early Cartoon Cartoons were influenced by John K., who was hired (after being fired from Nickelodeon) to help launch Cartoon Network's original content. He was strongly influenced by Hanna Barbera, and of course CN was basically the Hanna Barbera channel to begin with, with their early shows straight up being HB shows, so the influence is obvious. In a way, you could say the modern "calarts" style is the eventual evolution of the Hanna Barbera style, but I think few would say that since it evolved quite a bit over the course of the 2000s, but by looking backwards through the history of shows, you can see the evolution. But that last part is all moot, because it's called Calarts because Calarts promotes it. And none of it changes the point that a minor change on a recent addition to the formula doesn't make it a wholly different formula. Next year the formula will become even stricter as suddenly every character will have to be black or something, and you'll look at Star vs The Forces of Evil and say "see! It's not CalArts because they're not all black!" They're just getting more and more specific, lowering your standards further, and leaving plebs like you thinking that the most minute way it doesn't follow the formula actually makes it different.
>>3835 >You realize it refers to styles and techniques taught at an actual school, right? Yes, I have read that John K. blog entry too. I asked you to describe the style or the techniques involved in it, something that you didn't do it, just pointed that existed for several decades and provided examples that aren't nothing alike while saying I can't see the similarities because I've lowered my standards, a logic that's straight stupid and I hope you realize that. By the way, not even John itself can elaborate or describe properly what he meant by "calarts" IIRC he just post some character sheets in that blog entry while screaming "there it is, there it is". Maybe you meant "commercial" style, something that I agree, all the examples you provided are, indeed, animation for commercial purposes. Simplistic styles have been a thing basically since TV took over. I'm not study animation but I'm quite sure inside of any animation school they teach their alumni to do every artstyle, specially the stuff that is popular at the time and that's usually similar to the shows that the children watches. > it's called Calarts because Calarts promotes it You could provide sources that indeed show that the university is behind all of this.
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<Just decided to compile some (It sure as Hell isn't all) of the cartoons that have been graced by CalArts graduates. Basically, just went through a quarter of the "notable" ones. The images are broken up by the decade the series started.
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>>3838 >"commercial" style I think it should be referred to as the Bauhaus art style, it was created in Wiemar Germany 1919-1929 and Hitler shut it down in 1933.The Bauhaus style, also known as the (((International Style))) , the type design is characterized by radically simplified forms,lack of ornamentation and the idea of mass production.It was created to harness the new potentials of mass production as Germany was being industrialized during that time.This Bauhaus art style, has influenced many modern arts & design because in the modern age beauty & craftsmanship are irrelevant only practicality & function are required. The bean face character design can be mass produced,its practical & it has worked as most popular shows today use this Bauhaus art style.No new type of design is invented as it is not required it would be a waste of money and time to create a unique design for each and every commercial product indented for mass production.
>>3847 Well its not an artstyle then, its a design approach. What a lot of armchair philosophers dont understand is that a lot of shit is created by committee, which is itself guided by an algorythm. The cal-arts thing itself was the result of the school teaching animators to work as cheaply as possible and to cut corners everywhere. Algorythm sees "X sells well" so the committee says "your product has to be like X or we wont give you money". These corporations arent retarded as to not figure out what combinations of traits a series needs to have in order to move some cash, they pay millions for analysts. Changing the pipeline for a different style of presentation is a lot like retooling production machinery, it takes time and it costs money, so the suits encourage samey looking shit. So yeah Bauhaus makes sense as a comparison but more from a production standpoint.
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>>3849 This design approach is responsible for making every object,artwork,media & architecture created in modern times mechanical & soulless, created by committees ,designed by algorithms and produced in a sweatshop or in a factory assembly line. In Bauhaus school of design there is no place for traditional art education,the wealth of knowledge cultivated throughout western history of art education is rejected completely .In Bauhaus design everything is reduced to its most basic elements simple like geometric forms,textures,materials & primary colors and then they are all tossed in together to produce something that has no aesthetic quality only form & function, the individual parts are not arranged in any harmonic composition nor do they imitate any natural form. Bauhaus isn't the only design approach for the bean face call arts characters, American modernism is also partly responsible for this. American modernism similar to Bauhaus also rejects old traditional design philosophies & implements the idea that art should be designed for a multicultural socially diverse audience, it should also include radical & progressive ideas.What this actually means is that art should be designed for the mass-markets(the lowest common denominator) and it should contain all kinds of radical propaganda to mold the minds of the masses.American modernism is not the representation of a industrialized modern society but a representation of what a modern industrialized society should become.
>>3802 >I want to make an exceptional character >Do I make them exceptional among strong and well balanced characters >Or do I go the easy route of making them what I wish I could be except no one calls them out on their shit and the writing always puts them in the right no matter the situation
>>3857 >except no one calls them out on their shit I got SO tired of Orguss because of that shit. And, it was never the fact that he wasn't called out, it was the fact that no one ever cared that Kei is a PoS who never grew or changed his actions.
>>3847 >bauhaus autist Sorry, mate, I just can't take you seriously. Take smol Johanna, have a nice day
What noticed in these contemporary "cartoons" is that every joke is a variation of the same general punchline of "hurr, everyone dumb". Even in Reddit and Memmy this about 90% of the jokes and scenes in general. Rick is supposed to be a giga genius but most of the time acts like an idiot who cannot connect cause and effect. And nobody ever even considers ackwnoledging that fact. Same with this show the dindu chick is a literal idiot who constantly acts like an asshole, does shady/illegal shit and then is shocked when the other character distrusts her and treats her equally as poorly. Naturally nobody ever calls her out, cus she meant good. Idiocy producing more idiocy. Do you know what would be a real twist? If her character was actually reckt in the first episode and then had to redeem herself. Instead its the same old " everyone is an idiot".
>>3867 >And nobody ever even considers ackwnoledging that fact. BeCaUsE It'S sUpPoSe To Be QuIrKeY, lOl. Honestly, I just see it as people constantly trying to make excuses for why they can be irresponsible in the stories. And, then half the time, they make the person who has any sense into a villain despite being 100% right.
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>>3867 Does anyone else feel like "comedies" are somehow forced in, even if the genre of the media is comedy? One thing I've noticed about my favorite comedies is that it never felt like the jokes and the story alternated, instead the story and the characters acted out in humorous ways while still having some dignity. Meanwhile in newer things with comedy you get story beat, then some ridiculous comedy segment that pretty much serves no purpose but to take up time for a bit, then we're back to story beat, then it's paused for some shitty joke, and so on. I don't know how to explain it but it feels like the comedy and the thing are isolated. >>3868 >they make the person who has any sense into a villain despite being 100% right. What boils my blood is that they don't even try to address what they think is villainy, they think simply depicting it or like in pic related going "ok boomer" is enough because they are deluded into thinking they are always in the right no matter what.
>>3838 >Yes, I have read that John K. blog entry too. You needed to read a John K blog entry to know CalArts is an actual school? What did you think the term referred to in the first place? And yes, those were all commercial styles, but they're styles that have changed over time. "CalArts" refers to the current one probably because Hanna Barbera doesn't exist anymore, and the style isn't contained (or even mostly contained) to one studio or network. Before you could say most Cartoon Network shows had one style, and most Disney had another, and most Nickelodeon had another, and you could point to studios with very obvious styles, like Klasky-Csupo, but now you can't, because it's everywhere. Anyway, the posts you're replying to repeatedly pointed out similarities in the faces and eyes specifically. That is a description of style. Since those things aren't seen in a show like Adventure Time, for example, I wouldn't say it's quite the same style, even though I would say it's been influential in a lot of ways. Perhaps more with things like writing, tone, and color. >You could provide sources that indeed show that the university is behind all of this. So you think the style shouldn't be called CalArts at all? I can agree with that, also since CalArts has been influential for a long time, and the style has changed over time. But that's the name there is now, and I don't think the name is enough of a problem to care about changing it.
>>3897 >You needed to read a John K blog entry to know CalArts is an actual school? Just report him for being a filthy fucking newfag.
>>3897 >You needed to read a John K blog entry to know CalArts is an actual school? By "John K entry" I was referring to the 2006 entry from his blog when he points about said style, something that I'm really sure anon got most of his points from it, of course I knew it's an actual university. >Hanna Barbera doesn't exist anymore, and the style isn't contained (or even mostly contained) to one studio or network To be fair, Hanna Barbera was the industry, it was basically the only animation studio, and everyone else (the few that existed) did stuff in the UPA vein, so not really that different. >Since those things aren't seen in a show like Adventure Time, for example, I wouldn't say it's quite the same style, even though I would say it's been influential in a lot of ways. Perhaps more with things like writing, tone, and color. I agree >So you think the style shouldn't be called CalArts at all? A matter of linguistic preference, but I would prefer something more descriptive, like "bean head/mouth style" or something, but I know I won't be able to change.
>>3869 >because they are deluded into thinking they are always in the right no matter what. Ah, but here is where I think you are wrong. The reason why they never bother arguing their point beyond "lol, you ebil" is because they cannot explain it beyond that. They know that the second they would have to explain themselves they would inevitably reveal themselves as the villains they really are. Because in the same way they cannot put forward a decent reason why Rick is actually a good guy(despite clearly being a sociopath that causes undue amounts of harm to everyone around him) they cannot explain their moral stance on anything as that would have the exact opposite effect to what they actually want to achieve. For example their stance on migration sounds alright but only as long as you do not go into specifics. As long as it is only "we are all just earths people" its cool but the moment you start looking at just the logistical aspect of it the whole argument falls apart as it becomes obvious just how self destructive that stance actually is.
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>>3914 >For example their stance on migration sounds alright but only as long as you do not go into specifics. As long as it is only "we are all just earths people" its cool but the moment you start looking at just the logistical aspect of it the whole argument falls apart as it becomes obvious just how self destructive that stance actually is.
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So I just watched the 3rd episode and I like how so far the series subverts the underdog shit and shows how everyone is in the same boat, instead of doing the retarded class struggle premise that was established in the first episode and in every single trailer. Black Woman has been shown sort of a phony while the second in command dude was portrayed as about as competent as he is arrogant. Purple Hair has been shown as being hypercompetent for a change. So far the only real fuckups on the ship seem to be Black Woman and her mother really.
>>3916 Wait a minute: isn't "destroy Israel" a far-left position? Like, >muh anti-muslim apartheid kinda shit? The only people I really know of who don't want to destroy Israel are Fox News boomercons. I'm really tired of seeing hacks like that guy say stuff they think is far-right meme magic, when any given tankie will give you the exact same shit. Fake edginess is fucking irritating.
>>4046 You're behind on the times. When the right was still controlled by neocons, then yeah, it was the left that was against Israel. Now, the neocons have all moved over to the left because the right has become much more libertarian. The neocons created SJWs to destroy Occupy Wall Street and get the proles fighting among themselves instead of coming after (((the 1%))), and now that they control the left, the left basically just tries to not talk about Israel, because the mere mention of it exposes their ridiculous hypocrisy.
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Unsurprisingly, nobody cares about the show enought to even be mad about it anymore. Anyway for anyone interested it hasnt shat the bed yet after 5 episodes, which is pretty fucking impressive, and the animation is pretty good for what it is. The cap has been shown an overprotective parent and 90% of Black Womans schtick is just to piss her off. Internal Starfleet politics is a pyramid of asskissing like TNG liked to portray it. The B Plot Crew gets to be huge autistic nerds. Purple Hair gets kicked while hes down. Needs more Purple Hair centric episodes, the butt monkey role works only if the butt monkey has other traits than being a sucker.
>>3845 >Scoob and co in the 2010s Just cos it was being re-run or having it's corpse raped doesn't make Scoobie Doo a post 2000 production.
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Welp episode 6 and they finally shat the bed. The plot revolves around one of the ensigns riding on the illusion of competence while in reality being clinically retarded and a craven piece of shit. The problem with that is that in TNG it was established that in order to even join the Academy you are screened for any character flaws like a motherfucker and are mercilessly filtered even if you pass all the tests.
>>5048 Don't they basically do an invasive mind scan with a computer on recruits?
>>5048 >The problem with that is that in TNG it was established that in order to even join the Academy you are screened for any character flaws like a motherfucker and are mercilessly filtered even if you pass all the tests. Care to detail how the test works?
>>5054 TL;DR you are tasked with a series of increasingly harder mental tasks while you are being observed and evaluated 24/7, and by the time you are mentally exhausted you are confronted with a simulated traumatic experience related to your personal history and evaluated on whenever you can keep your shit together. The kick is you dont know its simulated. In TNG during the final test Wesley was confronted with having to choose between saving one of 2 guys, essentially having to perform triage, because his father was killed in a similar situation.
>>5057 Let me guess, it was created to replace the Kobayashi Maru due to Kirk finding a way to beat that test?
>>5059 Its not a final exam, its the entrance exam.
>>3843 >drawn to the weakminded >i dated one once managed to insult herself in that statement.
So apparentely Black Woman is way older than she lets on, seeing how in ep7 her classmate from the academy shows up on the ship as a replacement captain with a hyper competent crew of officers. Black Woman is then portrayed as a willful fuckup that is slowly becoming a real fuckup. Green Tomboy does a good news everyone in the B plot, Boimler gets shat on as always, tho this time its his own fault. Also the "federation member is evil but then its actually a misunderstanding" joke premise is slowly getting old.
>>2894 I watched that when I was eight years old. Teletoon used to broadcast it in Canada.
>>3526 >>3528 The only remotely funny part of that was the part in the intro where the ship stops to watch a bunch of Romulan War Birds fight Borg Cubes and then hightail it after taking a stray shot from one of the cubes. After what's-her-green-face was introduced to the two protagonists while the replicator was spitting out hot bananas, I just started skipping through it before giving up.
ep8 was so meh I forgot I watched it earlier the episode was a compilation, Purple Hair embarassed himself on the bridge, Cyborg was conscripted into an op while suffering from implant induced narcolepsy, Green Chick ended up participating in a black op, and the entire thing was tied together by le ebin its a trial but its a misunderstanding punchline nothing outrageously bad was in there, unless you think the funny joak at the end was outrageously bad, which it was
>>2843 >Star Trek Cal-Arts This wil be my first and last post in this thread, after which I'm going to memory hole it.
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Aight so the latest episode was just straight written as a childrens cartoon, and this is where it dawned on me. The entire series is a childrens cartoon with adult themes. Everything about the plot structure and the punchlines SCREAMS "childrens cartoon". This is the wierdest thing about the whole thing, they are making a show aimed at adults written from a childrens cartoon template.
>>5774 It's almost like this california liberal types are immature grown children.
>>5774 > they are making a show aimed at adults written from a childrens cartoon template. Has there ever been a single tv show to do this correctly? Even Aggretsuko fucked it up by season 3. Surely one has to exist?
>>5789 does BTAS count? How about Gargoyles? or would you consider those the reverse, children's cartoons written from an adult template? Nanoha if we allow anime
>>5812 Shows that have the layout of childrens cartoons like "Character learns lesson at the end of episode." Aimed at adults.
well, that was a show.
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>>5813 well there's always Peepoodo (from the creator of Lastman), not that it's good per se, more that it's hard to look away from Avatar TLA had decent morals and can be watched by more mature audiences, but in the end is probably aimed at teenagers
>>2843 You make it sound like my own Star Trek fanfiction/parody is better than this because I never wrote it
>>6328 It probably is.
>>3847 >Bauhaus style = forced simplicity So you never picked up a pencil before or any art theory?
>>6364 >you are the ignorant one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuaGN45mLu0 Bauhaus style =forced simplicity + abstract form with no relationship to nature + Art history & solutions of past ages rejected ((("rejection of all traditional IDEAS"))) +no ornamentation+ focus on industrial mass production Bauhaus was the idea of "ART" & aesthetics that the globalist created in order to pimp soulless industrial products to the masses who were used to the idea of traditional art & aesthetics.To reject thousand years of art history & tradition , the solutions invented by artists of past ages , to remove the idea of beauty from nature & to place the idea of manufactured beauty onto machine made products is forced simplicity & ignorance pushed to max. Bauhaus & contemporary art claims to give more freedom to artists,freedom from conformity of tradition & history, to provide a medium to express individuality otherwise suppressed by common traditions passed down by previous generations & rules of art invented by artists of the past. You should ask yourself how does being ignorant of history & tradition give you freedom? How can the artist express his opinions,ideas & emotions without having the ability to communicate ? The rules of art & design invented by artists of the past past passed down through generations give artists the ability to communicate his opinions,ideas & emotions.Without this ability all that the artist produces becomes noise with some progressive rhetoric attached to it (rejecting tradition = progress) . This processes of passing down of knowledge through generations represents the natural evolution of art and design & the corruption or subversion of this process is destruction of knowledge. "A laid-back greybeard professor interrupted to inform me, What do you mean? All of us here draw very well. Words failed me At the end of the talk, I showed them how to do a basic walk, and as a result got mobbed at the exit, the kids pleading desperately for me to teach them more. I escaped, but I'm afraid that's what the situation is out there — a lack of any formal training and no one to pass on the 'knowledge'. You don't know what you don't know. I harangued the deans of the art schools for failing in their duty to provide proper skills to their students. Surprisingly, when I finished, the deans called an emergency meeting to which I was invited. 'Look Mr. Williams,' they said, 'you're right, but we have two problems. Number one: since classical drawing was rejected years ago, we have no trained teachers who can draw or teach conventional drawing as they never learned it themselves. And number two: our mostly rich students — on whom we count for our funding — don't want to learn to draw. They would rather decorate themselves as living works of art — and that's exactly what they do.'' Richard Williams from The Animator's Survival Kit


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