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LGBT pandering in cartoons. Anonymous 10/25/2020 (Sun) 15:54:44 No. 6572
There's been a lot more pandering towards LGBT groups in cartoons these past few years and so far for the sake of "representation" but more often than not I've noticed that most people in favor of this tend to be shippers or at least have some sort of zealous fascination to the point of being fetishistic. They don't seem to be all too concerned with how the dynamics of how the two characters work together in a relationship or care about build up all that much and just introduce them for the sake of appeal rather than work up the relationship between the two characters. It makes gay characters in general seem like a gimmick meant rather than any meaningful development. Older cartoons like South Park with Mr. Slave and Big gay Al had more going to them than just being gay even if being gay was a big part of their character since their introduction.
There's like what, 3 cartoon series a year anon? With those numbers the number one rule to lead a series is not talent but gatekeeping and kissing the ring. Let an exec. producer pound your boypucci and you too may get to lead a cartoon series. Any other method? No way. Maybe if you win 300 million on the lottery and setup and corp to hire a shitton of starving vietnamese animators, then maybe you can make your proper animated masterpiece.
>>6572 The one faggot in a comic or cartoon that I know that I liked was Wallace Wells. He was a raging manwhore but he also wanted Scott to get his shit together and make something of himself. I guess there's Marceline but I haven't seen the newest seasons so she's probably crap now, which sucks since she was a favorite of mine as a kid. Everyone else sucks shit because they're either just a faggot and nothing else or their faggotry consumes them and taints their likeability. As OP said, their faggotry can still be prominent, there's just has to be something else than that to give a shit about.
>>6572 Interesting observation is that at least two of these shows are cases of self insertion. Adora & Catra are based on Noelle Stevenson & a girlfriend who cheated on her with a man. Then in Owl House, the main character Luz is based on one of the production team members while Amity is literally just a self insert for the show's creator. Basically the argument can be made these types of shows are just the self absorbed fanfiction of emotionally stunted women trying to live vicariously through these characters. Rather than trying to tell a story they think is important or entertaining.
>>6572 Lesbian, Gay, and Straight do not exist. There are only Bisexuals and gender conformists/non-conformists of varying degrees.
>>6583 Who let Tumblr in here? Who am I kidding, they've always been here
>>6585 >Who am I kidding, they've always been here. Maybe on cuckchan but not here. 8moe's largely obscure and unknown to the wider web. At best you'll see 8kunt getting mentioned.
>>6586 They invaded cuckchannel in 2011, and for some reason, some of them, like >>6583, followed us all the way to here. I have no idea why. I suppose they just have some instinct to go out of their way to ruin everything.
>>6572 As much as I hate SJWs, I do appreciate all the cartoon lesbian porn that they make.
>>9179 Fuck I forgot to change the file name, now I look autistic as shit
>>9179 >>9180 You're already autistic for liking not just lesbians but shitty cartoon lesbians based on a bitch who got cheated on by her wife then STAYED with the bitch.
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>>9181 >>9181 >shitty cartoon lesbians based on a bitch who got cheated on by her wife then STAYED with the bitch. Yhis is the first I've heard of this. Their screencaps of this?
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Anime for young girls has always had girls that love girls. It was never a problem because 1: The creators never wanted to be congratulated for including it 2: The girls involved are always cute. 3: It was there for the older male audience.
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>>9182 No screencap but Noelle literally made a comic about it. I'd storytime it if I could but what I could find is accompanied by a shitty article. This part is all that matters.
>>9181 Holy shit why do modern day cartoon creators always self insert themselves and their god awful relationships. Gravity Falls, The Owl House, and now these guys apparently. Can we make it a blacklistable offense in the animation industry to self insert in any fashion until at least 2050, this dog shit has gone on long enough. The modern animation industry is just full of weirdos so there's no way it won't backfire every time it's tried period.
>>9189 >in any fashion I think this is a little harsh. Filling out crowds with the creators is mildly amusing easter egg. All for "No more than one speaking line per episode".
>>9189 What was the gravity falls self insert, Dipper Pines?
>>9193 Yeah Dipper is Alex Hirch's self insert, Mabel was based on his sister, & Wendy was based on a crush he had I think.
>>9195 >i think No you're right it is based on a crush
>>6572 >Gay cartoon made by dykes who despise pedophilia <Their cartoons have underage self inserts of them fucking. >>9195 Is it true those empowering female cartoonists had to blow his cock just get their shitty projects greenlit?
>>9184 No, this is wrong. In Japan, it's typical and actually expected for young girls - high school and college age - to go through a phase were they have sexual relations with other girls that same age. This passes when they reach adulthood, get married, and have children. They are NOT homosexuals. In fact, the Japanese are among the most homophobic cultures; it's just that unlike many others, they are perfectly comfortable separating the action (especially if its temporary) from the person. They have no issues with otherwise straight people doing gay things, so long as they also get married and have children. But a homosexual who does not do those is considered horrible, and looked down upon violently. In Japan, there is nothing more important than duty and family, so continuing the family line and not tainting their legacy/name is the most critical thing for an individual. Being a homosexual violates both of these, so will bring down the wrath of the entire extended family on that person. Anyway, as for OP, you're correct. Most creators use "gay" as a hat they can put on a character that otherwise does not have any effect on their life; if you weren't told they were gay (or they didn't tell you) it would hardly be possible to tell. Dumbledore is a perfect example of this kind of thing. Is he gay? I mean yeah sure but only by the author's decree, and it changes literally nothing in the main plot or even really his backstory. Whether he had a solid bromance with Grindlewald, or wanted to suck his dick, doesn't change that he was betrayed and that was what affected the rest of his life. Contrast that with the revelation that Snape was in love with Harry's mother and wasn't just an old friend; that drastically alters your entire perception of how he treats Harry over the course of the plot. The issue, as with virtually all things, is one of money. Most viewers of a creative work self-insert into the role of the main character to some degree. A black superhero has plenty of representation because like 20% of Americans have black ancestry. A woman superhero has plenty because 50% of Americans are women. But a gay (and for sake of example, male) superhero? At best, you're looking at 2.5% of the population. And in exchange, the creators risk losing more than they gain because even discounting homophobia they lose the interest of those larger groups. That's why they chuck meaningless hat-wearing gays in as side-characters. It's the equivalent to WalMart hiring an ex-felon or a very old person as a door greeter. It scores them brownie points with the neo-liberal media, but you know damn well they aren't going to take any of those folks and make them management! For what it's worth, I don't EVER expect a major studio to make a gay superhero as the central character. Neither do I expect Disney to ever make a major film with a gay prince or princess out front. It's just not worth it to them, and money controls every decision they make. Fun fact: if you're paying very close attention to the ending scene of Shrek, you can see the Big Bad Wolf cuddling up with one of the armored knights. Their body language is completely obvious. Dreamworks snuck a gay couple into an animated movie in 2001, and nobody noticed.
>>9198 It's never been proven. Especially since he still gets work. Hell he's literally voicing for Owl House right now.
>>9200 Starlord is gay, you shitlord. They just only said it in the comics nobody reads years after the movies made casuals like the character. But now he was always gay, even in other media, and if you think this is a stupid claim, you're a nazi. Also, there is Shrek the Musical where the whole thing is an obvious metaphor for homosexuality instead of just not judging a book by its cover, and The Big Bad Wolf is a flaming homo the entire time. But I suppose they figured that everyone knows everyone in a play is gay anyway.
>>9206 >Starlord is gay Wat? One of us must not be thinking of the right character, because I'm thinking of the dude from GoTG who was introduced as an adult having a one night stand with a woman, and has a four-film long relationship development with Gamora.
>>9213 he' referencing the fact they retconned starlord to be bisexual. He just got confused and thought it was another iceman scenario.
>>9214 It is another Iceman scenario. They didn't say he "became" gay, they revealed that he always was. Also, don't bother splitting hairs over bi and gay, because if you're not 100% straight, you're gay. Yes, it's a spectrum. If you're not all the way over to the straight side, you're gay. Bis are gays that also like pussy. They're still gay.
>>9200 >Fun fact: if you're paying very close attention to the ending scene of Shrek, you can see the Big Bad Wolf cuddling up with one of the armored knights. Their body language is completely obvious. Dreamworks snuck a gay couple into an animated movie in 2001, and nobody noticed. In Shrek 2, they had Ugly Step Sister assaulting Prince Charming during the credits.
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>>9198 >>9203 >Is it true those empowering female cartoonists had to blow his cock just get their shitty projects greenlit? Even if they were would it fucking matter? Hell the animation industry has been fucking one another before the gays ever came in, John K is proof of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney animators in the 50's fucked on the desks Snow White was animated on. It's explicitly weird that of all industries for this behavior to become rampant in was animation of all things but here we are. Assuming corona ever ends I give it all of 3 days before I get some bi "open relationship" couple ask me to join them in a three-way from the animation major department at the school I'm at.
>>9225 >Even if they were would it fucking matter? Only if you question the shit everyone consumes.
>>9200 <In Japan, it's typical and actually expected for young girls - high school and college age - to go through a phase were they have sexual relations with other girls that same age. Sounds like a complete BS. <In fact, the Japanese are among the most homophobic cultures Actually, like in Greece and Rome, it was acceptable and common to have sexual relationship with male adolescents until they were heavily influenced by Westerners/Christians. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Homosexuality_in_shunga <In Japan, there is nothing more important than duty and family, so continuing the family line Not exactly, Japs didn't had surenames until late 19th century (Meiji Restoration) and had no to little problem of adopting the Buddhism which includes abstaining from sexual activity, meaning no future decadents. In contrast, it was something that the Chinese had great difficulty and disapproval as it go against the fundamental ancestor worship in their culture.
>>9184 There's...a lot wrong, here. Your first three pics are from Cardcaptor Sakura and two different seasons of Precure. And they lack context. >"I like you" Tomo-chan is a creepy ass stalker who wants it on with her own cousin. Her mother was much the same before her love interest died of Japanese AIDS. CLAMP on a whole tends to sneak a lot of sick shit into their work you wouldn't catch even in a SJ comic, including the pedophilia (rika), the stalking (Tomo, Yue/Yukito), the May-September issues, the rampant incest tripping (Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles), etc. Not actually somehting you want sinking into your daughter's brain to give her ideas. Precure is less so, but you're off for different reasons there: >Nagisa's love letters She blatantly chases after dick for two seasons in an unrequited romance (Fuji-P). She doesn't do girls. In fact, aside of a scant few cases, there's no real lesbian action that goes past cotton candy level subtext. And mind, shoujo demographic stories seldom beat around a bush when they want to be blatant about relationship stuff (See also Sailor Moon, CCS, Shugo Chara, & hundreds of other titles). >Mana staring at Makoto's poster This one you can almost make a case for, but problem is it's the wrong characters. None of the girls outside of Regina, one of the villains, has anything approaching a crush/obsession with main character Mana Aida. And with Regina, it's very much an obsession. Finally, that last pic is not a "targeted audience" information, it's the demographic that actually tunes into the Sunday morning Hero block for Precure and Kamen Rider. The older boys stick around because Precure isn't pastel garbage that a lot of people write it off as, and yes also because they're lewding the Cures. And the action sequences are mostly decent, though a far throw from the seasons of yesteryear, after the various PTA lobbyist got into Toei's ass about just how heavy and violent Heartcatch Precure was. But to the point, they script those shows to retain the audiences that tuned in to begin with. tl;dr the lesyay is in your head, anon. Japan directors very seldom dance around such issues unless they're blatantly pandering for their audiences to pick up blurays.
>>9179 Character at the front looks like a feminine bitchboy, enjoy being a faggot.
>>9200 >gay superhero as the central character. Fagman and Buttboy vs Dr Cocktopus >Neither do I expect Disney to ever make a major film with a gay prince or princess out front Perhaps not a major one but I bet they could be cajoled/twitter strong-armed into making a straight-to-video or streaming one. I guess it's more likely they'd make a second fiddle friend of a main character a twat muncher.
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>>9962 There's plenty more shows for little girls that have girls be very, very close and clearly in love than just those.
I've honestly given on modern cartoons to care, but the pandering was obvious in a few I actually watched, or read about. Cartoons have gone from making grand-scale adventures out of the simplest things, to giving relationship advice and being loaded with soap opera drama.
>>9200 They could make a gay male superhero that could be a main protagonist. But they would undoubtedly chose the wrong-way over the right-way to do it.
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>>9200 >For what it's worth, I don't EVER expect a major studio to make a gay superhero as the central character. I can see it happen if the character is never confirmed as such within the work itself. Like a Power Pack movie where they never mention Julie's sexuality (which is easy since Power Pack's origin is a full adventure, and the only females she interacts with during it are her mom, her sister, a spaceship, and an evil lizard alien queen) but constantly bring it up in stuff.
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>>9976 Anon, that's yuri undertones. Just on that, Precure not only counts, but but then has several characters around whom entire plots are constructed in such a manner (Aida Mana, Houjo HIbiki, Myoudouin Itsuki to name a few). If you're gonna point it out, don't half-ass it. Go hardcore. Zero wiggleroom type content. But much thanks on reminding me to check out that show again. Been a while since I tried and stopped for lack of time.
>>9200 There's also the potential of the character in question being a classic sexy lesbian
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>>9195 >Mabel was based on his sister If she's even half as abusive as Mabel, she's probably in prison.
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>>9182 Fighting the Gays, at Eleven.
>>9179 Did that catgirl steal his penis?
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>>9195 >Wendy was based on a crush he had I think And that crush is named Lauren Faust.
>>12648 I feel second-hand embarrassment just reading through that pic.
>>12648 If I had the time I'd make "Virgin Hirsch vs. Chad Robbie"
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>>10014 Julie Power is not gay. I know that Marvel is pretending she's gay, but Marvel has been grossly misinformed. And every time I see her in red instead of magenta, I want to poke someone's eyes out with my penis. CMYK, you disgusting hacks. Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and Black. Even SJW retards should understand THAT basic concept. >C - Jack <M - Julie >Y - Katie >K - Alex (and shut the fuck up about the white costume, it represents the paper they're printed on and he's all black when powered up) It's not that hard a concept, you fucking cock-garglers.
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>>12659 >Alex is black when powered up Fuck you now I've be laughing for 5 minutes thinking of Black Power Pack.
>>12664 >Fuck you now I've be laughing for 5 minutes thinking of Black Power Pack. <"Eyo, Alixks? I t'ink da boogeyman be callin' us out, homes!" <"Fuck dat crackah-ass crackah, Jakeem! Le's go fuck 'im up!" <"What do we do?" <"You sit dat fahne ass down an' wait for daddy, Kayshawnda! Juleee, get da fuck away from mah stash, you dried up ho!"
>>12726 Summerfags were also a mistake


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