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FAQ and QTDDTOT HHHPinochet 11/27/2019 (Wed) 11:32:59 Id:261585 No. 926 [Reply] [Last]
Criticisms of right-wing libertarianism, low effort gotchas, and unpopular opinions should be limited to this thread. You aren't owed attention or a platform to speak out against our views, any new threads attacking anarcho-capitalism will be deleted. COVENANT COMMUNITIES A lot of posters seem to be ignorant on what a covenant community is and what its implications are. A covenant community is a small, homogeneous, gated community with strict controls on who can and cannot enter, who can and cannot gain residency, and what conduct must be observed within the community. In other words, it is a privatized micro-ethnostate. The idea was popularized by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, attached are some select quotes from Hoppe explaining the covenant community in his own words: >there would be little or no “tolerance” and “openmindedness” so dear to left-libertarians. Instead, one would be on the right path toward restoring the freedom of association and exclusion implied in the institution of private property. There exists a legal principle known as estoppel, which says those who do not value or abide by a certain norm are not entitled to appeal to that norm in their own defense. Commies don't believe in property rights, so they have estopped themselves from appealing to property rights in their own defense. Therefore, there is no need for a covenant community to wait until the commie commits a trespass before physically removing it.
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>>3964 *neurotypicals FTFY

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Welcome to /liberty/ HHHPinochet 08/19/2019 (Mon) 22:30:01 Id:e35c08 No. 3 [Reply] [Last]
A board for discussing private property norms, Austrian-school economics, and natural rights. Refugees not welcome. Check out our bros at 9chan: https://9chan.tw/libertarian/
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If the State is charged with protecting the property of its citizenry, then it must be categorically stated that any attempt to do so can only end in contradiction. As stated earlier, an inherent characteristic of any State is that it must lay taxes in order to fund its operations. Taxes themselves are nothing more than threats to initiate uninvited physical interference with the persons and/or property of others if they do not hand over X amount of money. Recall, threats to initiate uninvited physical interference with the persons or property of others is considered aggression. Simply stated: taxation is theft. Thus, the State cannot make any attempts to protect the property of its citizenry without first violating it on a mass scale.

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Random/Shitpost Thread Anonymous 01/23/2020 (Thu) 18:17:39 Id:481c8d No. 1601 [Reply] [Last]

Listen up kiddo. We need to have a little chat. You thought you could lurk around here just because you're a cool guy and we share the same worldviews? You thought /liberty/ was open and free for everyone? That's not how it works, pal. This isn't some hippie-dippie commie shithole. Nothing in life is free besides the cheese in a mousetrap. You gotta leave a post in this thread every time you visit the board if you wanna keep the lights on over here. Yes, I know, I know, but someone had to say it. You know how the economy is these days, it's tough for everyone. Don't make it more difficult for the rest of us, we all have to carry our own weight. We all have to do our part to keep the place running. There's no room for freeloaders around here. Leave something in this thread each time you visit the board and we can keep on being friends.
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>>4408 Have a webm.
>>1601 A guest brought up a point on the Tom Woods show that libertarians have failed to recognize the importance of culture. It's become increasingly clear that libertarians fell into the trap of treating praxeology/the NAP as a full-service path to an ideal society, ignoring the role of culture/psychology. A lot of this has been the fault of low-information lolbertarians who took on the label because they associate libertarianism with being able to do as many drugs as you want. It's also the fault of autists using technical, contrived justifications to describe how a market would solve various perceived problems while ignoring what would provide the impetus for the solution of these problems--that is, culture. Ultimately, a market free of regulations and state intervention is the most efficient system... at fulfilling the subjective preferences of its participants. But "subjective preferences" is a giant black box. If all of the market participants want communism, you'll rapidly find yourself on a road to a Communist society. That is why Communists may need to be physically removed. Similarly, if the market participants in Ancapistan lack the desire to defend themselves against state actors, they'll always be at risk of being overrun by a military. That is why you need recreational nukes. In order for a stable libertarian society to exist, the participants need to have a culture that will support that end. Culture and the NAP are near-orthogonal. The only thing that the NAP requires of you culturally is a minimum amount of tolerance--that is, you not hate a certain group of people to the point of running onto their property and gunning them down. It is an ideological trap to treat the NAP as though it requires you to never say anything derogatory about someone else. Unfortunately, culture is much "squishier" of a subject than human action. I think that's one of the reasons we shy away from it. The theories and explanations for why and how things happen aren't as watertight.
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/liberty/ jewtubers? Anonymous 09/13/2020 (Sun) 02:05:24 Id:e94c93 No. 3721 [Reply] [Last]
Zoomer here (yes, unironically), if there's one thing I know about my generation better than anyone is that the best way to influence us is through e-celebs, and I happen to know of a few good ones: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa2-piBMbmik7L5-zPFmPTA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxZrPPhcmK_0FoE2LpqgbRw https://www.youtube.com/user/youngrippa59 https://www.bitchute.com/channel/awxvaKDmUzaI/ and by FAR the best one, (if you're only going to check out one of these channels, let it be this one!) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5PPbhNfajmhPq7RvkMgVmw Post some other one's you know of
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>>3792 The problem with trying to actively debate with any Breadtuber is that they won't even agree to it in the first place and nor will they hold themselves to any standard. If you had watched any debates that they do they always nitpick deapite destroying their central point. And at that point they'll most likely just throw slurs at you. But you cannot gain a huge userbase simply because they'll try to deplatform you. I think what we're lacking is an actual Right-Wing platform that won't cuck regardless of the heat that it would get and at the same time independent of the Big Tech...
>>4290 Right, the only reason they are thriving is because everybody who disagrees with them gets banned. They never could've risen to prominence before the youtube purge of the alt0righters. This is all by design of course. 2016 big tech Trump trauma fucked everything.
Found this channel recently. These two videos are very good! Don't let the title confuse you, they are not pro-leninism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5L3DNF8uVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tToYQQgpyk

Anonymous 04/03/2021 (Sat) 02:49:11 Id:000000 No. 4412 [Reply]
What does /liberty/ think about the property rights/standing of children, and what happens after they gain self-ownership if they aren't born with it? Some of you think they should be protected but since protection can't be defined objectively nor granted voluntarily since you wouldn't take a childs no seriously violate the nap and we're back to having a state. I was pretty on board with children being parents property until they "have property of their own" or "leave home",etc. Children if they can't decide for themselves are someone elses decision and thus property, and if they aren't the parents property then they're the states. David Reimer lost his dick as a baby through a circumcision accident and after was turned in a "girl". His parents were cool with this idea. Given the preface above and assuming theres nothing wrong with that conclusion, could the now mutilated adult claim anything from his parents, for his condition? If so, on what grounds?

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Resisting The Great Reset Anonymous 03/07/2021 (Sun) 00:16:12 Id:d6ad58 No. 4380 [Reply]
How do we resist this dystopian scheme the WEF is pushing? It seems to be the real agenda behind the scamdemic. Even though it seems to be unpopular right now, it doesn't change the fact that governments and their subsidized corporations/organizations are going to push this hard and if it succeeds, I don't know if we could ever escape it. I noticed that people even in non-libertarian circles have been suggesting what is essentially agorism. Saying that we should just create parallel societies through grassroots economics. Is this the proper way we fight this?
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>>4387 Bitcoin may not be 100% private, the blockchain is indeed public and anyone can search for transactions, but, there's no way to really identify you unless they know your public key or other stuff, and, if we're talking about spending here, there are already stuff like coinjoin to allow you to spend it with some amount of privacy. >You're better off with physical cash than with that. From a spending perspective, yes, from a hodling perspective, lmao. Fiat currency value will only decrease and decrease within the next years >Bitcoin, on the other hand, is exactly what governments want their own currencies to be in the future. Bitcoin is decentralized, do you really think that government wants decentralization? >but the evil governments and corporations out there will never accept it and allow it to propagate. they can cry as much as they want, the only government can effectively ban ANY decentralized cryptocurrency would be to just ban the whole internet, and trust me, this would absolutely 100% backfire.
>>4395 >the only government can effectively ban ANY decentralized cryptocurrency would be to just ban the whole internet They may not be able to ban it wholesale, but they can sure as hell kneecap it by scaring people away from it: https://archive.is/KJwGk
I'm all for agorism, but is secession still possible? Texas has always been the number one candidate, but they are increasingly being fed up with Biden's policies, and I bet this Great Reset could be the final nail in the coffin for them along with other states. >>4395 >the only government can effectively ban ANY decentralized cryptocurrency would be to just ban the whole internet They could just force ISPs to block cryptocurrency protocols along with protocols for VPNs and anonymizers like Tor and I2P. Maybe the agorists and crypto-anarchists could start creating their own underground ISPs or meshnets, but I'm not sure if enough have the capability to do so. I'm not saying you should avoid crypto entirely but it's good to diversify and have backups like precious medals or even just simple bartering. The latter of which is much easier to do with your normalfag neighbors than explaining and convincing them to use crypto and counter-economics.

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OC Thread: Julay Edition Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 22:48:44 Id:fd811b No. 451 [Reply] [Last]

OC, fresh memes, and rare Aurelias.
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Nice thread. Love you all.
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>>4391 Thanks, russanon.
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U.S. Copyright, IP, Patents Laws and Public Domain Anonymous 07/28/2020 (Tue) 11:27:06 Id:b33574 No. 3450 [Reply]
Basically, what are the arguments for and against them? I'm rather ignorant on this subject, and I'm curious about what different arguments there are (with citations/evidence, because otherwise it didn't happen, so to speak). It seems to me that the issue isn't copyright law in itself*, but that it has been abused. I've also heard that anti-copyright legislation has actually helped corporations keep their IPs or something to that effect, but how can this be? *At least in the current system and the philosophical theories behind it, but that's another discussion. This is just about the current facts and what can be done or shouldn't be done about them.
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>>3755 Also I think the issue is with the current system, in some cases, you aren't given a choice. Copyright protection exists by default without any explicit contractual delineation and if you make a derivative work of someone's work then they can just ex post facto declare you a violator of copyright despite you quite possibly not even having talked to that person at all, much less agreeing to the terms of any contract. Given fhe choice between paying for a song that allows you to write covers or paying for one that doesn't, or a comic or TV show that allows you to create derivative works involving its characters, which would consumers choose?
One of the implicit assumptions in this discussion is that if someone copies an artist's art, it's basically impossible to prove who was the originator. NFT might change that. https://ethereum.org/en/nft/ https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-721
>>4377 Honestly, I don't care if I don't get credit for my work. Just look at all the inventions out there that are wrongly credited.

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Anonymous 01/28/2021 (Thu) 16:29:46 Id:60ed75 No. 4274 [Reply]
Did... Did normies just get redpilled on the free market???
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>>4276 >Wait anon. Just wait. This'll be capitalism's fault soon enough. CALLED IT! The narrative now isn't that the game's rigged and the SEC is selective with prosecution or anything like that. It's that shorts are bad and they need to be banned. :^) EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.
>>4276 >I still think "regulatory capture" is far too complex an idea for the typical normie to stomach. Called this one too! https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=LVorHHw-ZOw "Rich people NEVER call for regulation!" Yup, thought so. Hook, line, and sinker. Yet another thing that's clearly not the market's fault has become the market's fault. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
>>4280 You have the OP using words like "normie redpill" and started off with a wojack,if you're just noticing cuckchan cancer now, you're slow as fuck

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ANCAPISTAN BECOMING A REALITY 02/06/2021 (Sat) 00:53:13 Id:edf08c No. 4323 [Reply]
>Planned legislation to establish new business areas in Nevada would allow technology companies to effectively form separate local governments. >Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak announced a plan to launch so-called Innovation Zones in Nevada to jumpstart the state’s economy by attracting technology firms, Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Wednesday. >The zones would permit companies with large areas of land to form governments carrying the same authority as counties, including the ability to impose taxes, form school districts and courts and provide government services. >The measure to further economic development with the “alternative form of local government” has not yet been introduced in the Legislature. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-02-04/nevada-bill-would-allow-tech-companies-to-create-governments
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Corporate cities or worker camps aren't a new thing, and have been done in the past, but probably the most ambitious one was the one designed by Walt Disney himself, here is a documentary on his dream city, and while it might sound nice at first it would be a nightmare from a libertarian perspective. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tKYEXjMlKKQ
>>4354 Most corporate cities would be a nightmare for libertarians. The point is that you can have hundreds of them and maybe one of them suits you, or maybe private citizens can form their own. Of course, it's only a matter of time before the busybodies show up and demand more regulations. HoAs have shown that tyranny can absolutely come from the bottom up.
>>4354 >>4359 Reminder too that Orania started out as a corporate labor camp basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVEcvdclrqo

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Darknet Libertarianism Anonymous 01/10/2021 (Sun) 00:42:49 Id:000000 No. 4207 [Reply]
So, I understand I'm a little late to the party, but all the Big Tech censorship has made me realize that I need to find a bunch of libertarian sites, forums, chans, blogs, and all the other various regular services that's hosted on Zeronet, I2P, Onions, Bitmessage, and Freenet. My plan is this. Sometime back I made a webring that modeled a VT321 console (remember those computers that first replaced the card catalogs?), and some webring directories. I want to make a similar webring only focused on libertarian websites, and to see if there's any way I can mirror current libertarian content on the clearnet before it gets banned by Big Tech. 1 - I can't realistically host this and remirror as much as I can across all the different darkweb platforms currently available. I need to focus on one--maybe two. I was thinking Zeronet given its censorship resistance, ease of use, and how they seem to have a way around getting banned by ICANN what with their own DNS system (namecoin) and not being as resource-hoggish as Freenet, and an Onion website since Tor is pretty much what everyone thinks of when think Deepweb. 2 - I can realistically only mirror a fraction by myself, and given my job, only update it maybe once every three months maybe. Even then, I'd have to choose a handful of libertarian websites. I know mises.org would be a good pick, and I'm guessing they wouldn't mind the remirroring. Is there any way anyone knows of to make this easier to remirror on the technical end? Are there any websites I probably shouldn't remirror because they'd get all Randian "muh copyright" on me? 3 - Any libertarian sites already on some deepweb network that you know of that I should include? This chan has an onion address, so it's going on the list. 4 - Any other tips or thoughts others might have? I'm still unsure if I want to do this, given how shit I am at committing to projects like these.
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>>4314 yup I can see it, Ron Paul Institute. any plans to make the link onion v3 tho?
You still alive, OP?
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PIVX is the Darknet Libertarian currency.

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Making Money Anonymous 01/20/2021 (Wed) 04:55:53 Id:0db06d No. 4242 [Reply]
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>>4350 Opps I forgot to mention I’m referring to the crypto currency and not the stock
>>4350 BSV is based. RLC is based. PIVX is based. Anything ETH based with crash unless it can migrate. ETH can't scale. BSV can: https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-creating-tokens-but-not-tokenmania/
>>4352 ok thanks for the recommendations I always heard that BSV will flip BtC because it actually follows BTC’s original white paper

Libertarian National Socialism Anonymous 02/17/2021 (Wed) 05:44:28 Id:3030dc No. 4342 [Reply]
>>>/pol/8031 This is a continuation of a deleted thread on /v/ https://8chan.moe/v/res/228762.html#q239225 >National or 'Nazi' as the Jew say, on the subject of Race and Eugenics. >Socialist in that Citizens should receive revenue from Publicly owned property. >Libertarian in everything else HAIL VICTORY!
>>4342 Some deleted posts. Some politics is permitted on /v/ and some is not. https://archive.vn/2nEYy https://web.archive.org/web/20041206110350/http://www.nazi.org/party/theory/
>>4342 I mean it's not entirely contradictory. >>4264 >>4265
No, fuck this gay shit. "Nation" is only an excuse for the state to extert control over population and a corruption of tribal instinct of humanity due to the fact that our brains are created to living in small communities. Organisation of populace towards work for the sake of a nation is cancerous and unworthy of even considering. Because at the end of the day, it is not the work of the individual for the individual, nor the work of the individual for his actual community. It is the work of individual for the individuals standing at the top of society for no actual benefit of him or his true community. Any support that the state can provide will always come at the stripping of individual's freedoms and molding him into an instrument of the state rather than helping him realise his own potential for the benefit of his and the community. Claiming that there can be anything more important than the rights of an individual is against THE CORE of libertarian thought. People should not for the society, people should create a society in which it is good to live in. And the fact that you even consider government fucking handouts is insulting.

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Understanding Power and its dangers Anonymous 02/14/2021 (Sun) 01:21:31 Id:fdef8f No. 4331 [Reply]
If you haven't read and properly understood 1984 you should geniuently never speak about politics. Although basic and very popular, it feels as if people are starting to disregard Orwell's writing as overrated or perhaps missunderstand them. Despite being a socialist, Orwell is an incredibly important writer to libertarianism as a whole, and should be a warning against any kind of authoritarianism. There is one 1984 quote that I have not seen being thrown around too much, even though it is probably the most important part of the book and the most important revelation to political thought that you could ever have, especially as a libertarian. "Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power." Those words, give us the most obvious explanation for why things go the way they do, one that is not understood by many. Many people who get into politics often believe in the idea of gaining power for the sake of establishing a better society that would in return grant more freedom either to the entirety of populace, or just a group of them. THIS IS NOT HOW POWER WORKS I'm not saying that you cannot be a politician who geniuently wants to improve the quality of life of people, but giving the governing bodies more power will always inevitably lead to tyranny and opression by the simple fact that the structures of power are naturally built for the rulers to seek more power to keep themselves in power. Even if they have the absolute best of their citizens in mind, gaining power will always make them seek more power for the simple reason that gaining power allows them to keep ruling and push forwards their visions. And if they don't go that path, they will simply be replaced by someone who does not have the moral qualms of seeking more control over populace, simply because controlling people makes you more effective at governing and keeping in power than not controlling them. Any kind of power seeking for good means will be either corrupted, or derailed by sociopaths. This is why, you cannot expect to use a Fascist or any other authoritarian system to institute a Libertarian one simply because, authoritarian systems will ALWAYS seek more power for themselves to simply keep existing. In a theoretical situation where you become a ruler of a country, if your goal is even to prepare society for a Libertarian system by the means of an authoritarian one, that will too force you to seek more power for an authoritarian system so that you can accomplish your goals. At the end of the road, either you will abandon libertarianism, or someone who has will replace you to use the newfound power more effectively. This is why the core of Right Wing Libertarianism to begin with is the deconstruction of power. Free market is a system that decentralises power structures into smaller power structures, rivarly between naturally appearing power structures makes them not grow out of control and take over every facet of our lives. A political goal of a libertarian who wishes for the preservation of freedom should never be gaining power, it should be working towards the decentralisation of power, because that is what the idea of Liberty is about. We cannot get rid off of power structures, but we can decentralise and privatise them to such an extent, where they no longer have such a large grip on the individual. This is true both for dictatorships and democracies. Never fall for the government meme, never fall for the power meme. Power needs to be ALWAYS stripped away from the governments and any other ruling bodies, not increased. Even if it seems that a temporary increase of government powers might lead to bigger amounts of liberty later on, this is a fallacious line of thinking. Power and control always require more power and control over the lives of men to be worth anything for the rulers. I hope you understand how important decentralisation of structures of power is so that it doesn't extend a grip on our personal lives and liberty. No one wants to live in an authoritarian nightmare. Reject the idea of establishing centralised power structures, always decentralise them into private property. Do not fall for the Authoritarian meme.
ALL societies are inherently oppressive because they are unnatural Oppressive can simply be seen as "against our natural desires" forcing a wolf to eat grass is oppressive while forcing a sheep to eat grass is not at least in most situations Human beings are meant to function, have EVOLVED to function in small societies where all individuals know each other and preferably care for each other Looking at how societies developped one can see that laws were pretty much a desperate attempt to control the fact that "shit fuck shit fuck fuck shit they are killing each other rathern than working in the fields the whole village will starve" We have lived for millions of years like animals and for only a feeble 15.000 years as anything more organised and civilised. We are as unnaccustomed to this type of life as the very animals we have domesticated. Look at a dog, it knows how to follows rules sure but it opperates on the instincts it had as a wolf, it feels affection for the owner because the owner triggers to it the same fealings the pack leader triggered. Yet it cannot survive like a wolf either it will die in a forest. It is unsuited for both worlds. And so are we. Thats why chaos vs order is such a big meme in our culture. Because our nature is splintered between the two. As such every society is fundamentally opposed to nature but we are unnable to return to primitivism and it wouldn't be good either due to the inherent brutality of a primitive life. Its naive to think primitivism is a solution. in short there is no solution we are doomed. There are 2 options. 1. We evolve into more eusocial-type animals internalising putting society above the self to the point where we are naturaly predisposed to communism or fascism which means oppression will be appealing to us and we will quite literally find happinesin slavery, the same way an ant probably feels something resembling joy when blindly but effectively contributing to the colony. At such a point oppression itself wouldnt be oppressive for it would be our desire to be oppressed as nightmarish as it sounds or 2. We perpetually form societies that keep us "just satisfied enough" to not revolt. In an endless cycle of infinite imperfect societies. During monarchy they couldnt imagine capitalism. During capitalism we cannot imagine the next system. But the systems that are stable are the ones that are meh. A perfect one cannot exist, a horrid one can't be sustained for long. Monarchy was not as bad as fascism or communism. Thats why it stayed for a long time, it was MEH. The current system is meh too. What follows is an endless cycle of as of right now unnimaginable but imperfect societies with every attempt at a radical change ending in tragedy and violence until the sun blows up and kills us all
>>4332 >>4331 Rewriting language and history is a common Marxist strategy. Orthodox Marxist intellectuals redefined the term “bourgeoisie” to conceal the fact that they themselves were objectively part of the bourgeois class. Similarly, postwar Western Marxists redefined “proletarian” to mean “a person who is non-White or part of the LGBT,” and developed a range of Newspeak terminology: “Institutional Racism, Microaggression, White Fragility, Whiteness, etc.” Bolsheviks, such as Lenin and Trotsky, redefined ‘racism’ — the act of acknowledging that different human races exist and possess unique characteristics — as an act of “oppression.” All Leftist political discourse is an intricate web of self-referential gobbledygook, designed to bamboozle the masses, impress the intellectually insecure, and obfuscate their true intentions.

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The most Austrolibertarian question you could possibly ask. Anonymous 02/01/2021 (Mon) 12:37:14 Id:000000 No. 4300 [Reply]
Are naked shorts equivalent to fractional reserve banking? Are they both fundamentally fraud? Also, I recall reading a description of some country that had a 100% reserve system because any banks that were suspected of being fractional reserve would get "stress-tested" by the other banks. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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>>4305 Is it also O.K. for me to steal your couch--as long as you get it back in the evening before you come back home from work?
>>4305 A "bounced check" is by definition "after the settlement window". >>4306 How is stealing a couch analogous to this situation? To steal a couch, you would have to break into someone's property and then seize something that they already owned. It'd be more like if I paid you to deliver me a couch and you promised to deliver it after I come back home from work. Is it fraud because I didn't get the couch exactly when I paid?
>>4308 ...I hope I never do business with you. Holy shit.

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Anonymous 10/11/2019 (Fri) 21:59:48 Id:5927a3 No. 201 [Reply] [Last]

is a libertarian alliance with fascists necessary to save the west?
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>>4257 >This "should" be libertarianism's chance to shine, yes. But what are you expecting? I was expecting another Ron Paul moment where you had a large group of youth join the liberty movement. I was expecting another Henry Cobden moment where you'd see a lot of anti-lockdown organizations sprout up. I know Antifa isn't going to throw down their arms, but that there was _zero_ growth for libertarians in a time like this, and instead Antifa and lockdowners grew in strength? I mean, imagine if in the middle of the Holodomor you had government support increase even more. It's made me a complete defeatist. >Where the change is likely to happen is with those who have seen the ugliness firsthand. I don't think we're going to see it there, either. You've got people dealing with lockdowns and mandates and lost their jobs and livelihoods because of it who clamor for even more lockdowns and mandates. I remember Rothbard used to talk about how "They talked about the Socialist Man, where they could change human behavior to make socialism work--well it turns out the human spirit is more resilient than that!" I think he'd eat his words now. I don't know if it's because of some MGS2-like "Selection for Societal Sanity" that the government has made with the help of Big Tech, but I wouldn't be surprised. >By no means are these effects limited to groups of people small enough to be memory-holed. Around 74 million people voted for Trump. That's around a quarter of the country's population. Those aren't numbers that you can just disappear. It took Mao four years to kill 50 million people in a country with double the population of the modern US. Couple that with non-Trump voters who have had their livelihoods or seen others' stomped on just enough to wake up a bit. I think it IS going to happen: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2021/january/20/viral-trumpsnewarmy-video-is-liberals-at-their-craziest-and-scariest/ Coupled with the fact that there has been no Battle of Athens against the fraud means that, yes, there's a lot of people here, but unlike Mao, I don't think there's going to be any significant resistance. Over this past year, Antifa has shown bigger and more effective riots than the one measly staged event at the capitol. >you also have millions of Americans who feel like the political system is no longer legitimate. Plenty of people now have firsthand experience of government intrusion into their homes and workplaces. Plenty have been ostracized from the Big Tech/MSM walled garden. If it turns out the Biden-Harris administration actually drink their own Kool-Aid, this will escalate. Historically speaking, I would argue that accelerationism tends to lead to more tyranny in the long run, not less. Sorry for being all blackpill and shit, but these are just the thoughts that have been running through my head for the past few months. I'm on the level of expecting gulags to crop up (LITERAL gulags) and trying to mentally prepare myself for how to deal with them and how to conduct my life when they do.
>>1334 Would you tell someone who has an irrational psychological need to chop off their own arm to get it removed or recommend them to a therapist? If someone goes to the doctor with suicidal thoughts should he prescribe a gun and a room to blow their brains out in? You don't understand the issue of having permanent physical solutions to what is objectively a mental problem?
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