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FAQ and QTDDTOT HHHPinochet 11/27/2019 (Wed) 11:32:59 Id:261585 No. 926 [Reply] [Last]
Criticisms of right-wing libertarianism, low effort gotchas, and unpopular opinions should be limited to this thread. You aren't owed attention or a platform to speak out against our views, any new threads attacking anarcho-capitalism will be deleted. COVENANT COMMUNITIES A lot of posters seem to be ignorant on what a covenant community is and what its implications are. A covenant community is a small, homogeneous, gated community with strict controls on who can and cannot enter, who can and cannot gain residency, and what conduct must be observed within the community. In other words, it is a privatized micro-ethnostate. The idea was popularized by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, attached are some select quotes from Hoppe explaining the covenant community in his own words: >there would be little or no “tolerance” and “openmindedness” so dear to left-libertarians. Instead, one would be on the right path toward restoring the freedom of association and exclusion implied in the institution of private property. There exists a legal principle known as estoppel, which says those who do not value or abide by a certain norm are not entitled to appeal to that norm in their own defense. Commies don't believe in property rights, so they have estopped themselves from appealing to property rights in their own defense. Therefore, there is no need for a covenant community to wait until the commie commits a trespass before physically removing it.
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Should the disabled be physical removed to maintain a healthy gene pool?

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Welcome to /liberty/ HHHPinochet 08/19/2019 (Mon) 22:30:01 Id:e35c08 No. 3 [Reply] [Last]
A board for discussing private property norms, Austrian-school economics, and natural rights. Refugees not welcome. Check out our bros at 9chan: https://9chan.tw/libertarian/
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>>3854 >The board is fucking dead, there's nobody here anyway. How do you expect this place to grow? In my experience, the more active a libertarian board, the more of a honeypot it is, and the more it sucks.

Constitutional Libertarian Monarchy Anonymous 10/21/2020 (Wed) 00:21:51 Id:dd597e No. 3907 [Reply]
What do you think of the concept of Constitutional Libertarian Monarchy? The King would be responsible for enforcing the NAP based libertarian constitution. Imagine, for example, if the British Empire had fully compromised with George Washington and adopted a libertarian constitution in order to keep the American colonies within the Empire. This is one historical way I think a Constitutional Libertarian Monarchy could have arisen nya~
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It would be way better than what we have now, but it still doesn't solve the main problem with statism, and that's that it'll eventually grow overtime. America, when it was founded, was arguably the most libertarian country of all time! And now just a few centuries later, look at where it's at. Sure, you could say that this was democracy's fault, but the UK is a monarchy and they're not doing any better. A monarchy might slow down the process significantly, but it's not going to fix it entirely. I would prefer a libertarian monarchy over what we have now, but I'll still advocate for ancapistan.
>>3912 >but the UK is a monarchy and they're not doing any better The UK is a nominal monarchy. The Queen has so little power over her subjects at this point that they might as well not have her at all. I really doubt she's happy about the state of her... well, state, but there isn't much she can do about it without risking imprisonment and/or civil war, or at least intense unrest.

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OC Thread: Julay Edition Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 22:48:44 Id:fd811b No. 451 [Reply] [Last]

OC, fresh memes, and rare Aurelias.
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>>2612 >Yes, final product soon. I am a patient man.

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Anonymous 10/13/2020 (Tue) 21:07:13 Id:000000 No. 3875 [Reply]
Yes, kill the kings, and the state. But also, kill the laws. We cannot call ourselves "free" when we literally have things that literally doesn't exist controlling our egos. You, ancaps, think that you're free, but you're a slave of the money, of the idea of being richer and richer. Sure you can be the boss of some workers, but you're an abstract idea's slave. We have to burn all the capitalist shit to be free? Yes. But communism is also not enough. You're the people's slave. You cannot think for yourself in communism, because, first, the community, then, you.
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>>3875 >You, ancaps, think that you're free, but you're a slave of the money, of the idea of being richer and richer. I dunno, the main reasons I got into libertarianism were: >A desire to confound Big Tech censorship/surveillance >Opposition to the government essentially claiming it simply rents out your own hard-earned property (incl. salary, etc.) to you >Belief in the right to self-defense >A desire to be able to speak freely and assemble with like-minded individuals >The eventual ability to make "voting with your wallet" a true reality, due to the abolition of business/income taxes >The consequent ability to start my own business if I so choose, without having to worry about the state working hand-in-glove with massive conglomerates to destroy competition Being rich is just icing on the cake; as far as I'm concerned, the re-assertion of basic human freedoms is paramount. >>3877 >>>/stirner/ ?
>>3886 communists mistakenly think slavery is a feature of capitalism rather than a feature of usury
>>3875 You have the idea that all those things should be gotten rid of. ergo there are actions which you ought to perform, ergo you are a slave to those actions.

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Anonymous 10/20/2020 (Tue) 12:23:03 Id:a3cfc0 No. 3903 [Reply]
do you guys consider him an austrian? he seemed libertarian leaning but not quite austrian especially on his opposition to the gold standard. yes i know i misspelled the filename
austrian has more to do with the preferred methodology in studying economics. You also don't oppose things in economics, you describe things. So, you could be an austrian and oppose the gold standard. Of course mainstream economics make us believe that economics should have policy prescriptions built into it, but that's just bad science. In any case he was a cool guy and his son is cool too.
>>3903 As far as I know, Friedman was actually Chicago, not Austrian. Still a cool dude, though.

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Random/Shitpost Thread Anonymous 01/23/2020 (Thu) 18:17:39 Id:481c8d No. 1601 [Reply] [Last]

Listen up kiddo. We need to have a little chat. You thought you could lurk around here just because you're a cool guy and we share the same worldviews? You thought /liberty/ was open and free for everyone? That's not how it works, pal. This isn't some hippie-dippie commie shithole. Nothing in life is free besides the cheese in a mousetrap. You gotta leave a post in this thread every time you visit the board if you wanna keep the lights on over here. Yes, I know, I know, but someone had to say it. You know how the economy is these days, it's tough for everyone. Don't make it more difficult for the rest of us, we all have to carry our own weight. We all have to do our part to keep the place running. There's no room for freeloaders around here. Leave something in this thread each time you visit the board and we can keep on being friends.
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>>3906 If it doesn't get banned, it'll get hijacked by leftists (which is kinda already happening). It happened to r/libertarian. That subreddit is proof of why we can't side with leftists on anything. They fucking hijacked it and now it's filled with commie apologists and people who hate Hans-Hermann Hoppe. There was a top post on the sub which was someone explaining why Joe Biden is "more libertarian" than Trump.
>>3911 >commie apologists Give examples.
>>1601 No, I won't

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Debate Thread Anonymous 10/23/2020 (Fri) 00:09:54 Id:effad0 No. 3913 [Reply]
Figured you guys would want a thread going over the coming shitshow https://cytu.be/r/cornpop

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Anonymous 10/09/2020 (Fri) 11:52:27 Id:a054b5 No. 3853 [Reply]
Where are the libertarians and old Mises forum folks hanging out nowadays? Please don't fucking tell me they're on Facebook.
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>>3893 So, have all the libertarians fallen for communist honeypots, and there's no libertarian forums anymore?
>>3853 There are decently-sized libertarian communities on the fediverse (Mastodon and Pleroma) like Liberdon and NoAgenda.social. I think many of them were previously on Mises. >Please don't fucking tell me they're on Facebook. I've heard that Facebook is actually a popular market place for agorists. I don't know how they're able to get away with it.

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"Corruption" Anonymous 07/27/2020 (Mon) 22:14:36 Id:b98c6b No. 3444 [Reply]
I've noticed how Marxist's goto tagline excuse is "corruption," and how often "corruption" is used as a weasel word or just bland excuse. The most blatant example is "Why did the Venezuelan government collapse? Oh, 'corruption.'" ( https://invidio.us/watch?v=IYfgvS0FA7U ) "European governments are so much less 'corrupt' than the U.S. or other governments around the world." There's no critical thought about how--say--maybe a ridiculously large government might be the cause of incredibly amounts of "corruption" or something. In other words, corruption is often defined in such a way that it allows the user to ignore root causes. That's not even getting into how would you even define 'corruption.' I've also noticed how a lot of international rankings have started including nebulous calculations and rankings of 'corruption' now. It seems like it's built into the rankings just to fix the conclusions they feel the indexes are 'supposed' to draw.
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aka, let's instead disorganize while (((a certain group))) will have no compulsion in engaging in coordinated attacks against my own. great plan. 10/10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im349_aRx-Q Argentina failed because of corruption narrative again. But WHY is it corrupt?
>>3898 Read The Other Way by Hernando de Soto Polar. South America has weak property rights.

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Anonymous 10/11/2019 (Fri) 21:59:48 Id:5927a3 No. 201 [Reply] [Last]

is a libertarian alliance with fascists necessary to save the west?
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>>3873 >an alliance with national-anarchists and anarcho-fascists would be interesting. I've never been entirely clear on what the differences between the two were.
You are all insufferable fucking retards, no wonder this board is fucking dead
>>3895 O.K..

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Saint Kyle Rittenhouse Anonymous 08/28/2020 (Fri) 01:19:01 Id:d87328 No. 3575 [Reply]
So, are we going to talk about how this guy was obviously so in the right that people are making themselves look incredibly silly trying to attack him?
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>>3637 Isn't it ironic that these leftists have the gall to call people "bootlickers" when they cheer police raiding the homes of people who defend their property and signal implicit approval of rioters who run through the streets killing people and destroying property?
>>3637 If you niggers weren't afraid of the anarchism/communist dudes you wouldn't be trying to "stop" them. haha, again, anarchism>fascism
>>3880 Ancoms aren't anarchists though lol. They are authoritarian statists. Their ideology is much more closer to fascism than whatever Kyle believes in.

What would your ideal libertarian society be? Anonymous 04/25/2020 (Sat) 10:04:33 Id:c344f1 No. 2795 [Reply]

Describe what your idea of the ideal libertarian society would be like. The society I want (and yes, I know this sounds autistic), would essentially be a confederate minarchist voluntary monarchy. Essentially, the Royal central government's only duty would be maintaining a standing national army to defend from foreign invasion. If a covenant community wanted to be member, they would have to pay a small tax to fund the army. Essentially a subscription fee. The benefits of this would be protection from the national army and a title of nobility for the community's leader. Of course, membership in this confederacy would be voluntary. The communities could opt out at any time, which would mean that the national army would have no obligation to protect them, but they could always raise a militia or hire mercenaries for this purpose.
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a voluntary Catholic theocracy aiming to protect and voluntarily promote the Catholic religion, would also physically remove all non-Catholics, heretics and degenerates.
>>3872 I once fapped with a Saint Mary porn video
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>>3879 you are a nigger!

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/liberty/ jewtubers? Anonymous 09/13/2020 (Sun) 02:05:24 Id:e94c93 No. 3721 [Reply]
Zoomer here (yes, unironically), if there's one thing I know about my generation better than anyone is that the best way to influence us is through e-celebs, and I happen to know of a few good ones: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa2-piBMbmik7L5-zPFmPTA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxZrPPhcmK_0FoE2LpqgbRw https://www.youtube.com/user/youngrippa59 https://www.bitchute.com/channel/awxvaKDmUzaI/ and by FAR the best one, (if you're only going to check out one of these channels, let it be this one!) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5PPbhNfajmhPq7RvkMgVmw Post some other one's you know of
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>>3730 It's been a while since I've seen her. She was pretty based. For other libertarian youtubers there's Eric July who goes by YoungRippa59 on youtube. Though he talks more about culture the dude is ancap. And then there's this guy I found some weeks ago. He seems pretty good. The Anglo Libertarian. https://www.youtube.com/c/AngloLibertarian/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe9kRph2Lvw7LoojdZl_xHw recommendation from a channel by a Brazilian Libertarian, who is expanding the message of freedom to different people.
>>3868 Great find dude! Brazilians are based as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FufnQf6VI

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Committees Anonymous 10/10/2020 (Sat) 15:08:47 Id:856837 No. 3860 [Reply]
You know how Mises and Hayek have fundamental arguments that strike at the core of why socialism doesn't work, and then after that we have tons of real life examples of what they were talking about? It feels like committees are the other way around, there are tons of real life examples of how absolutely a shit structure they are, but they're begging for a theoretical explanation as to why they often produce the worst decisions (or really even someone pointing out to the wider world that they're so terrible, there are so many better options than forming a committee, and that making a committee really should be your last ditch option). It's to the point where I'll often hear people joke, "A committee must've made that decision!" and then not only is it often the case, but there's also no blame laid at the committee's feet. Why are committees so terrible, why aren't there more attacks against them, and why do so many organizations continue to use them?
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>>3863 Nah, I stand by what I said. Also, it's not namedropping. Mises is short for the Misesian Calculation Problem, and Hayek is short for the Hayekian Knowledge Problem. If you read a bit more, you'd probably know that, instead of just responding with meme buzzwords and echoes.
>>3863 Also, there are two other people on this board. I'm legitimately curious about why you're posting here.
>>3860 >Why are committees so terrible, why aren't there more attacks against them, and why do so many organizations continue to use them? They'll never tell you this but many corporations suffer from the same central planning problems as socialist planned economies. The ones that don't are much more technologically integrated and override bureaucratic infighting for resources with intense central control.

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Anonymous 10/06/2020 (Tue) 10:40:38 Id:0b04f3 No. 3834 [Reply]
I really cannot reconcile the complete degeneracy brought by social media with my libertarianism. I know all the arguments about how the State made things worse by destroying the family, divorce laws, various subsidies to women, etc but I really can't. I also know about closed communites and such stuff, but they don't seem realistic anymore. Current technology doesn't allow anything but the rise of big States IMO.
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>>3834 You're looking for answers in the wrong places. The sorry state of our society is not because of the government structure but because of godlessness. Democracy has contributed in large part to promoting godlessness, and replacing the church with a horrible perversion of it in the form of scientism. It heavily incentivizes making the wrong choices, but the proximate cause is still those wrong choices, i.e. that men have become secular.
I'd argue the opposite. Technology is helping the state maintain it's power, but it's also helping us gain power over the state. Take 3d printers for example. You can print almost anything with them, including guns! And even before 3d printers, the knowledge to make homemade guns had been around for decades! Technology has made a lot more people self-reliant, and I think that self-reliantness is going to make the government "obsolete".
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>>3847 When they cannot seize the people by poverty they will seize them by terror. Governments and elites in an unadjudicated world are not conscientious entities. Do you think communists will have a second thought over murdering your family for a printer?

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